Bye bye MEAT! How will the post-meat future look?

[bcuster]

 

[8ball]

I guess it’s more fun than admitting you’re a struggling actor.

 

[Jeff Robinson]

Great animal rights demo outside the UK HQ of one of the world's leading pig torture corporations:



Glad that the Little Eichmann scum in their corporate offices may for once in the wretched lives have felt the slightest bit of accountability for their profiteering in the mass murder and extreme suffering of sweet, intelligent, sentient beings. One pig's life to me is infinitely more valuable than all of the low-life mendacious vermin who have managerial or senior roles in this barbaric corporation.

 

[8ball]

One pig's life to me is infinitely more valuable than all of the low-life mendacious vermin who have managerial or senior roles in this barbaric corporation...

That's almost a numerical assessment of value there.
Nice bit of belt and braces with the "managerial or senior" bit too - not your first rodeo, is it?

 

[bcuster]

Great animal rights demo outside the UK HQ of one of the world's leading pig torture corporations:



Glad that the Little Eichmann scum in their corporate offices may for once in the wretched lives have felt the slightest bit of accountability for their profiteering in the mass murder and extreme suffering of sweet, intelligent, sentient beings. One pig's life to me is infinitely more valuable than all of the low-life mendacious vermin who have managerial or senior roles in this barbaric corporation.

There is no doubt in my mind that these animals are tortured before death.

 

[JoeyBoy]

Great animal rights demo outside the UK HQ of one of the world's leading pig torture corporations:


Glad that the Little Eichmann scum in their corporate offices may for once in the wretched lives have felt the slightest bit of accountability for their profiteering in the mass murder and extreme suffering of sweet, intelligent, sentient beings. One pig's life to me is infinitely more valuable than all of the low-life mendacious vermin who have managerial or senior roles in this barbaric corporation.

You've never encountered an actual real pig have you?

 

[Jeff Robinson]

You've never encountered an actual real pig have you?

I have, loads - at farm sanctuaries. They are sweethearts. Almost certainly nicer people than you.

 

[JoeyBoy]

I have, loads - at farm sanctuaries. They are sweethearts. Almost certainly nicer people than you.

So have I when I worked as a farm labourer, nice isn't a word I would use to describe pigs. Prefer the word tasty meself. Always got a sense of satisfaction out of eating one we'd raised.

 

[editor]

So have I when I worked as a farm labourer, nice isn't a word I would use to describe pigs. Prefer the word tasty meself. Always got a sense of satisfaction out of eating one we'd raised.

Awesome contribution to the thread. What's your thoughts on the well documented cases of animal abuse and cruelty that have been taking place on farms across the UK?

 

[JoeyBoy]

Awesome contribution to the thread. What's your thoughts on the well documented cases of animal abuse and cruelty that have been taking place on farms across the UK?

I lived and worked on farms for six years and never saw any case of torture, abuse or cruelty though I guess you might have a different definition from me. Farmers are practical people, they're in it to make a living. Livestock is valuable, they're not pets but no-one is going to torture them for fun of it why the fuck would they do that?

 

[bcuster]

I lived and worked on farms for six years and never saw any case of torture, abuse or cruelty though I guess you might have a different definition from me. Farmers are practical people, they're in it to make a living. Livestock is valuable, they're not pets but no-one is going to torture them for fun of it why the fuck would they do that?

The videos of animal torture on even medium or small farms (forget about what goes on at large meat factory farms) are easy to find. I shan't post any now.

You are blind, Joey, if you think these animals are treated humanely

 

[8ball]

Wonder if there'll be any confusion caused by the odd title of that vid.
I thought at first that they were inside Meat Giant's headquarters (because that's what it says).

Was a bit surreal watching all the stuff relating to pigs initially, since Meat Giant only supply Halal meat.

 

[Jeff Robinson]

So have I when I worked as a farm labourer, nice isn't a word I would use to describe pigs. Prefer the word tasty meself. Always got a sense of satisfaction out of eating one we'd raised.

Yeah, like I said, pigs are just better than sad sacks of shit like you. Low bar I know.

 

[editor]

I lived and worked on farms for six years and never saw any case of torture, abuse or cruelty though I guess you might have a different definition from me. Farmers are practical people, they're in it to make a living. Livestock is valuable, they're not pets but no-one is going to torture them for fun of it why the fuck would they do that?

So you're actually denying animal abuse goes on in farms, yes? Like it doesn't exist?

Have you not bothered to read any of the well documented cases listed in this thread or do you prefer to live in some kind of fantasy land, utterly divorced from reality?

Here's a few clues to get you back to reality. Took me one minute of Googling to find this info and there's plenty more.

Workers sacked after film shows pigs ‘beaten to death with iron bar’

Exclusive: Charity suspends ‘high-welfare’ business supplying Morrisons and Tesco after ‘illegal and inexcusable’ attacks

www.independent.co.uk

https://www.itv.com/news/central/2023-03-16/hidden-cameras-show-pig-cannibalism-and-animal-abuse-at-warwickshire-farm

Piglets at RSPCA-backed farms ‘kicked, thrown and electrocuted’

Exclusive: Animal welfare charity suspends members of its Assured scheme after secret footage reveals cruelty

www.independent.co.uk

One Of The UK’s Largest Pig Farms Closes Down Following Animal Welfare Breaches

Flat House Farm, which was the subject of an undercover investigation by UK animal rights organization Viva!, is no longer farming pigs.

plantbasednews.org

A brutal business: alleged beatings and abuse on UK pig farms | Harriet Grant

A Guardian investigation has uncovered claims of violence on a Lincolnshire farm, which the owners deny. But do working conditions in this intensive industry bring a risk of mistreatment of livestock?

www.theguardian.com

Farmer banned from keeping animals for 10 years after admitting illegal pig slaughter

A farmer has been given a five-month suspended prison sentence and banned for 10 years from keeping or caring for farmed animals after he was prosecuted by Leicestershire County Council Trading Standards for the illegal slaughter of pigs.

www.leicestershire.gov.uk

UK Pig Farm Investigation Leads to Animal Abuse Conviction

A 2018 Animal Equality investigation into a UK pig farm has led to a guilty plea for animal abuse for a 3rd farm worker, who joins two others already convicted.

animalequality.org

 

[Funky_monks]

I lived and worked on farms for six years and never saw any case of torture, abuse or cruelty though I guess you might have a different definition from me. Farmers are practical people, they're in it to make a living. Livestock is valuable, they're not pets but no-one is going to torture them for fun of it why the fuck would they do that?

Ive worked on them for a darn sight longer than that and nor have I, the thing is that a couple of people here choose to believe highly dubious, obviously biased sources (see: plant based news) and the odd sensationalist article in the media.

Before you even get to ethics, from a purely financial sense, abused animals aren't going to be profitable - stressed animals are more prone to disease etc.

The thing is, these boards are very intolerant of far right nonsense, unless its the kind of nonsense spouted by lunatics such as Jeff.
I would ignore him, it's probably for the best - he's been repeatedly taken to task over his mysogyny, abuse, bigotry and unhinged behavior, but he seems to get special treatment. He's just a very angry boy on the internet. Probably needs help tbf.

 

[Karl Masks]

obviously biased, but Plant Based news seemed to me moderate and eveidence based. They cite Michael Greger often and he backs up his claims all the time. Now whether he uses credible citations is another matter

 

[Funky_monks]

obviously biased, but Plant Based news seemed to me moderate and eveidence based. They cite Michael Greger often and he backs up his claims all the time. Now whether he uses credible citations is another matter

Expecting Plant Based News to write a balanced article about meat production is like Expecting the Angling Times to publish an article about how fishing is a tedious waste of time.

 

[Jeff Robinson]

Ive worked on them for a darn sight longer than that and nor have I, the thing is that a couple of people here choose to believe highly dubious, obviously biased sources (see: plant based news) and the odd sensationalist article in the media.

Before you even get to ethics, from a purely financial sense, abused animals aren't going to be profitable - stressed animals are more prone to disease etc.

The thing is, these boards are very intolerant of far right nonsense, unless its the kind of nonsense spouted by lunatics such as Jeff.
I would ignore him, it's probably for the best - he's been repeatedly taken to task over his mysogyny, abuse, bigotry and unhinged behavior, but he seems to get special treatment. He's just a very angry boy on the internet. Probably needs help tbf.

"far right" - lol, you utter fucking clown. I have been "repeatedly taken to task" by... you? You, a craven apologist and denialist about the systematic and routine animal abuse happening on British farms and slaughterhouses every single day - as if the views of a deluded wanker like you holds any weight at all. Twat.

 

[Karl Masks]

Expecting Plant Based News to write a balanced article about meat production is like Expecting the Angling Times to publish an article about how fishing is a tedious waste of time.

sure but my question is whether they back up their claims. Clearly calling yoursel fPlant Based News isn't a sign of dietary objectivity

 

[Funky_monks]

"far right" - lol, you utter fucking clown. I have been "repeatedly taken to task" by... you? You, a craven apologist and denialist about the systematic and routine animal abuse happening on British farms and slaughterhouses every single day - as if the views of a deluded wanker like you holds any weight at all. Twat.

See?
It's like a vegan "Rick" from the Young Ones, only with added misogyny and marginally less charm.

And yes "far right". Veganism has its roots in religious extremism (kellogg and the seventh day adventists), through the "sacred vegetarianism" of the Italian far right and on to ecofascism.

 

[Jeff Robinson]

See?
It's like a vegan "Rick" from the Young Ones, only with added misogyny and marginally less charm.

Your claims that I'm "far right" and "misogynist" are as unsubstantiated and baseless as your fantasy views of farming and slaughterhouses.

 

[Funky_monks]

Your claims that I'm "far right" and "misogynist" are as unsubstantiated and baseless as your fantasy views of farming and slaughterhouses.

Except you continue to use the "rape" trope to describe natural service and AI, even after "standing heat" has been explained to you.
You continue to utterly trivialise rape in this manner which is deeply misogynistic.
It's a trope which plenty of women in Agriculture (and outside it, when theyve heard it) continue to find deeply upsetting, and given that 25% of women have experienced either rape or attempted rape, your continued use of this trope is both disgusting and deeply misogynistic.


My views on Farming and slaughterhouses stem from a career in Agriculture, in which I now lecture at university level and at least 2 trips per academic year with students to abattoirs. If you really want to call that "fantasy" in comparison to your "an animal rights group on the Internet" informed view, you are also delusional.

 

[Funky_monks]

To add:
None of this was what the thread was about. The thread was about agriculture's role in climate change vs meat substitutes which are being marketed as better for the environment and also "good for you", and yet, certain posters cannot resist off topic screeching about something the thread was never about in the first place, again see: "Rick".

 

[Jeff Robinson]

Except you continue to use the "rape" trope to describe natural service and AI, even after "standing heat" has been explained to you.
You continue to utterly trivialise rape in this manner which is deeply misogynistic.
It's a trope which plenty of women in Agriculture (and outside it, when theyve heard it) continue to find deeply upsetting, and given that 25% of women have experienced either rape or attempted rape, your continued use of this trope is both disgusting and deeply misogynistic.

Just for context, you defended Vandana Shiva comparing planting GM crops to rape. When you asked what I thought was wrong with that, I said:

There are pros and cons to the us of GM crops and there's a discussion to be about how they are, can and should be used, but comparing farmers who plant them to rapists is offensive and absurd.

On the other hand, "livestock" farming involves the widespread interference with the sexual organs and sexual reproductivity of animals and practices like electro-ejaculation and forced artificial insemination. If any farming should be compared to sexual violence its the animal agriculture that you and Shiva are cheerleaders for.

(see Bye bye MEAT! How will the post-meat future look?)

That you think its perfectly fine to compare GM crop production to rape, but think it's outrageous to recognise that physically restraining cows, anally fisting them and injecting semen into their vaginas is a form of sexual violence just shows what a insincere bullshitter you are. Your remarks about the "far right" origins of veganism are moronic even by your standards, not even worthy of a rebuttal.

 

[bcuster]

To add:
None of this was what the thread was about. The thread was about agriculture's role in climate change vs meat substitutes which are being marketed as better for the environment and also "good for you", and yet, certain posters cannot resist off topic screeching about something the thread was never about in the first place, again see: "Rick".

The thread is about "eating less meat" and the reasons therefor.
Horrendously cruel, unethical treatment of animals is #1 on my list of reasons to do exactly that...

 

[Funky_monks]

Just for context, you defended Vandana Shiva comparing planting GM crops to rape. When you asked what I thought was wrong with that, I said:



(see Bye bye MEAT! How will the post-meat future look?)

That you think its perfectly fine to compare GM crop production to rape, but think it's outrageous to recognise that physically restraining cows, anally fisting them and injecting semen into their vaginas is a form of sexual violence just shows what a insincere bullshitter you are. Your remarks about the "far right" origins of veganism are moronic even by your standards, not even worthy of a rebuttal.

No, I didn't do that did I?

I quoted Vandana about something else entirely, and you felt that somehow meant that I agreed with every utterance she's made - somebody else bothered to trawl through her twitter to find the GM/rape post, not me. Again, delusional.

I've explained, AI, shown how it works and how standing heat works I believe I posted a video. I've explained how offensive your trope is to lots of women and yet you double down on it again and again.

And you won't rebut the far right thing because you know the seventh day adventists continue to donate $$$ to Viva, you know I'm right about the Italian Fascists and "sacred vegetarianism".

The best thing that ever happened re: veganism is that it is now a "protected characteristic" like other religions, and Just like Christians, Muslims etc etc, Ive found most vegans to be utterly reasonable human beings. You are the misogynistic hate preacher of Vegans.

 

[Funky_monks]

The thread is about "eating less meat" and the reasons therefor.
Horrendously cruel, unethical treatment of animals is #1 on my list of reasons to do exactly that...

No, no it wasn't it was about meat substitutes being better for the environment (or not, as the case may be). It had nothing to do with the ethics of meat consumption until it was derailed by some attention seekers who didn't like well referenced arguments about the environmental aspects of agriculture and so decided to engage in some performative whataboutery.

 

[bcuster]

No, no it wasn't it was about meat substitutes being better for the environment (or not, as the case may be). It had nothing to do with the ethics of meat consumption until it was derailed by some attention seekers who didn't like well referenced arguments about the environmental aspects of agriculture and so decided to engage in some performative whataboutery.

I see what you are saying; and it's a fair point. However, I don't think the poll questions herein correlate to a thread theme that dryly scientific.

 

[Karl Masks]

And you won't rebut the far right thing because you know the seventh day adventists continue to donate $$$ to Viva, you know I'm right about the Italian Fascists and "sacred vegetarianism".

What is this?

 

[Jeff Robinson]

No, I didn't do that did I?

I quoted Vandana about something else entirely, and you felt that somehow meant that I agreed with every utterance she's made - somebody else bothered to trawl through her twitter to find the GM/rape post, not me. Again, delusional.

I've explained, AI, shown how it works and how standing heat works I believe I posted a video. I've explained how offensive your trope is to lots of women and yet you double down on it again and again.

And you won't rebut the far right thing because you know the seventh day adventists continue to donate $$$ to Viva, you know I'm right about the Italian Fascists and "sacred vegetarianism".

The best thing that ever happened re: veganism is that it is now a "protected characteristic" like other religions, and Just like Christians, Muslims etc etc, Ive found most vegans to be utterly reasonable human beings. You are the Abu Hamza of Vegans.

When I put that quote from Vandana to you comparing planting GM crops to rape you defended it on the basis that it was part of her eco-feminist worldview, anyone can follow the link in my previous post to see that. Funny how selective you are when it comes to performative outrage about rape comparisons, almost as if it’s not sincere.

Again, risible stuff on veganism. 7th Day Adventists funding Viva! sounds pretty unlikely to be honest, but I’ll stand corrected if you’ve got anything credible to verify that claim. But even if true that would be very far from your claim that veganism has far right origins.

You’re an idiot.