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Bye bye MEAT! How will the post-meat future look?

How reluctant are you to give up your meat habit?


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So now you're going into full Trump-like conspiracy denial and claiming that any images that don't fit your narrative must be 'staged.'

There is plenty of evidence of the cruel and inhumane conditions of intensively farmed pigs.

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Who are you arguing with?
 
And my point is that replacing that with another intensive factory process, whilst certainly beneficial in terms of animal welfare, is not inherently better for either health or environment. If you want people to go vegetarian, I don’t think that the solution is to treat horrendously artificial food processing as the pathway.
Not all vegetarian/vegan food is about 'horrendously artificial food processing' but by throwing around daft and lazy stereotypes like that you've made your agenda painfully obvious.
 
People learn by questioning things. You ought to try it some time.

You sounding more and more like an antivaxxer here

But please explain what research you did before 'questioning' whether that picture was 'staged' or not.
 
And my point is that replacing that with another intensive factory process, whilst certainly beneficial in terms of animal welfare, is not inherently better for either health or environment. If you want people to go vegetarian, I don’t think that the solution is to treat horrendously artificial food processing as the pathway.
Apart from all the extra land, food and energy resources that go into feeding animals, of course.
 
And my point is that replacing that with another intensive factory process, whilst certainly beneficial in terms of animal welfare, is not inherently better for either health or environment. If you want people to go vegetarian, I don’t think that the solution is to treat horrendously artificial food processing as the pathway.

I find cooking to be a lot simpler without meat if I’m looking to keep the amount of processing down (which I have been recently), but that’s just a reflection of my culinary skills.

Out of interest, though, where do you get your non-intensively farmed meat from?
 
Not all vegetarian/vegan food is about 'horrendously artificial food processing' but by throwing around daft and lazy stereotypes like that you've made your agenda painfully obvious.
No, but the food I was specifically referencing in the post you originally responded to is indeed horrendously artificial and processed.
 
Out of interest, though, where do you get your non-intensively farmed meat from?
The small farm down the road for pork or another small farm down the road for chicken, or my neighbour’s smallholding for lamb. Don’t often have beef but when I do it likely comes from the small herd that the National Trust keep on the heath in order to stop the heathland being taken over by trees.
 
The small farm down the road for pork or another small farm down the road for chicken, or my neighbour’s smallholding for lamb. Don’t often have beef but when I do it likely comes from the small herd that the National Trust keep on the heath in order to stop the heathland being taken over by trees.

Ah, thanks. I was hoping you were going to say “go to supermarket x and look for logo y on the packaging”. :)
 
I buy my tofu from a bloke who makes it at home then sells it off the back of a flatbed he drives round these couple of villages, cheap and actually tasty on its own, sometimes so fresh it's still warm.
Realise theres little chance of that in the UK but do think people in West who moan about it are like people here who think our bread is shit because they once had a slice of sweet wonderloaf.
 
I buy my tofu from a bloke who makes it at home then sells it off the back of a flatbed he drives round these couple of villages, cheap and actually tasty on its own, sometimes so fresh it's still warm.
Realise theres little chance of that in the UK but do think people in West who moan about it are like people here who think our bread is shit because they once had a slice of sweet wonderloaf.
Freshly milked from the bean. :)
I've given up on cooking tofu myself. The little Korean place down the road knows how to do it properly, though.
 
The growth of vegetarianism/veganism, particularly among the young, is a really gladdening sight.

79 million
The estimated number of vegans in the world

500,000
People who took part in Veganuary in the UK this year, up from 400,000 in 2020 and 250,000 in 2019

66%
The proportion of UK vegans who are female

163%
The increase in Deliveroo’s vegan orders in the UK in 2020 compared with 2019

55,000
The number of products with the Vegan Society’s vegan trademark, including 18,000 food and drink items

$24.3bn
The forecast size of the global vegan food market by 2026, with cosmetics worth $20.8bn

 
I buy my tofu from a bloke who makes it at home then sells it off the back of a flatbed he drives round these couple of villages, cheap and actually tasty on its own, sometimes so fresh it's still warm.
Realise theres little chance of that in the UK but do think people in West who moan about it are like people here who think our bread is shit because they once had a slice of sweet wonderloaf.
No one was moaning about tofu. I simply said it's a bit lacking in flavour. I don't think it a suitable replacement for meat, but I'm happy to try it and have it now and again.
 
What you think is totally irrelevant, as there's millions of people enjoying healthy diets that involve no animal products at all.
Except for all the people who have come off vegan diets, including at the advice of their doctor, because it wasn't healthy for them to continue.

Again, I don't care if people eat vegan. That's their choice. My entire point is that to make that the only option for all people everywhere is not healthy because I don't believe everyone can live that way.
 
Except for all the people who have come off vegan diets, including at the advice of their doctor, because it wasn't healthy for them to continue.
Exactly many people is that then out of, say, the UK population of 67 million? What's your sources? Can you post them here now please?

And, of course, there's plenty of examples of doctors telling patients to cut back on red meat. In fact it's NHS policy to tell heavy meat eaters to cut back on their intake.


Even reducing meat intake has a protective effect. Research shows that people who eat red meat are at an increased risk of death from heart disease, stroke or diabetes. Processed meats also increase the risk of death from these diseases. And what you don't eat can also harm your health.


Etc etc
 
What the fuck are you on about now? Exactly what is your point?
I can't imagine how those words confused you. To be (even) clear(er) I'm asking the relevance of those statistics since they don't speak to how many people who tried Veganuary are still vegans. If people only did it because it's new year and they perhaps felt guilty about seasonal over indulgence then it's not rreally the victory you think it is, no?
Exactly many people is that then out of, say, the UK population of 67 million? What's your sources? Can you post them here now please?

A few years old but I suspect trends are the same. That's 62% after a few months. How about years?

And, of course, there's plenty of examples of doctors telling patients to cut back on red meat. In fact it's NHS policy to tell heavy meat eaters to cut back on their intake.

Can you describe the mechanism by which red meat causes bowel cancer?
 
Freshly milked from the bean. :)
I've given up on cooking tofu myself. The little Korean place down the road knows how to do it properly, though.
Bit like cheese making as I recall, and they skim the skin off the top for a different product you can by dried sheets of for noodles, hotpots and some starter type dishes.
I can only cook the block stuff about three ways myself but got the hang of it mainly by now, but things like the right sort of cooking wine help - glitch hiker wasn't having a go so much as saying you can't really expect the best of it so far from home and back in UK I went for more local bean type foods like pease puddings and butterbeans.
 

A few years old but I suspect trends are the same. That's 62% after a few months. How about years?
I'm not sure what you're hoping to achieve here but it's probably yet more whataboutery. Veganism is on the rise. It's as simple as that.
And that old article you just quoted proves that!

Can you describe the mechanism by which red meat causes bowel cancer?

Oh wait. So now the NHS is wrong? :facepalm:
 
One in a hundred who switch to a vegan diet manage to stick with it for a full year.

Yeah, but Veganuary, innit. A bit of a hair-shirting water-cooling talking point after the indulgences of Christmas.
Bit like saying none of the Movember people still have moustaches by Christmas.

And what sort of Master Race would they be if any Tom, Dick or Harriet could saunter through the first hazing?
 
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Yeah, but Veganuary, innit. A bit of a hair-shirting water-cooling talking point after the indulgences of Christmas.
Bit like saying none of the Movember people still have moustaches by Christmas.
Point is that although may people may leave strict vegan diets behind them, they're likely to now substitute some meat dishes for vegan/veggie meals, which is excellent for the environment.

And that's why the supermarkets now have shitloads of vegan offerings. It's a win all round.
 
You sounding more and more like an antivaxxer here
You're the one more like an anti-vaxxer. You believe what you want to believe and refuse point blank to even look at evidence to the contrary even when people have experienced something first hand either that or you move the goal posts or evade questions and move on to some equally irrelevant point.
But please explain what research you did before 'questioning' whether that picture was 'staged' or not.
All I did was simply ask if they were farrowing crates.

How are you supposed to research if something is staged? If someone wanted to stage it they wouldn't be boasting about it to be allow someone to research it.

FYI I don't agree with intensive farming, something I have repeatedly stated on threads like this and have even backed you up when you have flagged up genuine cases of cruelty. :(
 
… and that's why the supermarkets now have shitloads of vegan offerings. It's a win all round.

The supermarkets have had grains, pulses, nuts, fruits, herbs, spices and various vegetables for a pretty long time.

The new additions seem to be ultra-processed products made from cheap ingredients at a very high mark-up, hence the enthusiasm from our friendly neighbourhood capitalists.

Not that they’re all bad - I like a Beyond burger and a couple of other things, but the general movement looks to be in the direction of replacing one kind of poor diet with a more profitable and marketable version.
 
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