Bush says Iran is next!
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FridgeMagnet
Administrator
Other reports indicate that the committee's report is a lot more equivocal than that. I suspect it's being spun.
ska invita
back on the other side
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
A peculiar sort of statement.
Thumper Browne
Big Wheel Up
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/071904A.shtml
Apparently they will aid 'revolutionary' groups. Nothing new there.
Apparently they will aid 'revolutionary' groups. Nothing new there.
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
The most likely course of events will be a single strike against nuke research facilities - Israel did it with covert US support (i.e. it wasn't condemned and did the US a huge favour) when they destroyed an Iranian nuke facility in the 80s.
As for who I'd rather have owning nukes? Well given that lots of peeps round here regularly point out that US is a theorcracy that possess nukes and shouldn't be allowed to do so, why support giving them to a country that IS an actual theocracy and where the final say on the use of nukes would be decided by a religious council? What about the pre-strike safeguards such as the 'red phone' and other prophylactyic layers that exist between the Prez deciding to nuke someone and actually being able to do it?
As for who I'd rather have owning nukes? Well given that lots of peeps round here regularly point out that US is a theorcracy that possess nukes and shouldn't be allowed to do so, why support giving them to a country that IS an actual theocracy and where the final say on the use of nukes would be decided by a religious council? What about the pre-strike safeguards such as the 'red phone' and other prophylactyic layers that exist between the Prez deciding to nuke someone and actually being able to do it?
Psychonaut
Well-Known Member
whats the connection? everything and every concept in the cosmos interconnects with each other along metaphysical pathways. Bush has simply achieved omnipotence.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
pbman said:
No, it isn't a good idea to let fanatics acquire nuclear weapons, or possess them as the US and UK does. Then again, the US is filled with fanatics like you, who can't wait to press the button.
cemertyone
Well-Known Member
pbman said:
Isn`t it great how these thick twits like PBman actually believe that their conuntry`s defense can actually be based on a position where by they attack other nations ......who incidently pose no direct or even indirect threat to the USA...the logic is astounding.....mind you with less americans reading books than ever before its not surprising that there so maluble and ignorant of world affairs..they still think Saddam blew up the WTC...
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
He's only repeating the arguement made in 82 when the Israelis took out a similar reactor in Iran - and strategically it's a sound move since it took the Iranians another 10 years to get the programme back on track.
cemertyone said:Isn`t it great how these thick twits like PBman actually believe that their conuntry`s defense can actually be based on a position where by they attack other nations ......who incidently pose no direct or even indirect threat to the USA...the logic is astounding.....mind you with less americans reading books than ever before its not surprising that there so maluble and ignorant of world affairs..they still think Saddam blew up the WTC...
Sorry but they do pose a threat.
pbman said:Lifes a bitch isn't it.
Yeah, have you seen the picture of yourself btw in the What Are You thread over in general?
pbman...a potrait of a great american
Well if 9/11 style attack happens to your country again you'll excuse me for repeating your sentiments
The Israelis did indeed strike an Iraqi Nuclear Reactor. The IAEA have said the Iraqi installation was a civil program with no millitary application. The covert Iraqi WMD programs started shortly afterwards.
DC was furious when the French gave Israel the bomb. I don't want to see a Nuke armed Iran going toe to toe with Tel Aviv.
It's cruicial now that Dubya abandon his impotent electoral dick waving and engage with Iran. DC needs to get real, at the moment Tehran has the whip hand.
DC was furious when the French gave Israel the bomb. I don't want to see a Nuke armed Iran going toe to toe with Tel Aviv.
It's cruicial now that Dubya abandon his impotent electoral dick waving and engage with Iran. DC needs to get real, at the moment Tehran has the whip hand.
Hmm...
I have to think that Iran's nuclear facilities are toast, whether it's the Israelis that do it or the Americans doesn't matter but I reckon it IS going to happen.
Russia isn't going to want a nuclear armed Iran on its border. I once heard a story. I can't recall the exact details and I can't remember when it happened but I seem to remember reading the story somewhere reliable (in terms of trustworthyness).
There were various terrorist attacks on Russian soil emanating from Iran (this was during the Soviet era). Russia couldn't formally pin the blame on the Tehran government for lack of evidence but they had a pretty good idea that they were behind it.
So one day they called the Iranian foreign minister into the Kremlin. He was ushered into a room where his opposite number, the Russian minister, was sat behind a desk. The Russian minister said nothing for a while and then he pulled a nut out and placed it on the table. Then he took out a large hammer and smashed it down on the nut. Then he said:
"One more terrorist attack happens in this country and that's your holy city of Qom"
Then guards came in and took the Iranian minister out. There were no more terrorist attacks after that. I know they have a new government now but not THAT much has changed. Russia don't fuck about, they never have. No love lost between Russia and Iran, that's for sure.
On the other border, we have Iraq. Iraq ain't gonna want a nuclear armed Iran on their border. They had a war with them not long ago. I know that the war involved a previous Iraqi leader but I wouldn't say things are so cosy between the two countries that one of them will trust the other with nuclear weapons. And besides the new Iraqi government will (presumably) be fairly pro-american so they won't object to a strike on Iran's nuclear facilities.
Then there's Turkey which is a NATO member and trying to gain entry to the EU so they won't object. In any case they see themselves as the regional power, they don't want Iran getting nukes because that may tip the balance of power away from Turkey.
So all the border countries don't want Iran getting nukes and probably wouldn't object to a military strike (providing they could pretend in public that they don't approve).
The Security Council powers probably wouldn't object. The US is all for doing it itself. Russia would be happy to let the US take care of the problem for them. China would probably be disapproving but neutral as usual. Britain would probably disapprove but go along with it (what can they do anyway).
That would just leave France. But, since it was France who sold them all their nuclear stuff, people would just assume their objections were out of self-interest so everyone would ignore them.
So I can't see anyone who matters who would seriously object to a military strike.
That nuclear reactor is a dead man walking. It just doesn't realise it's dead yet.
Just my opinion, of course.
I have to think that Iran's nuclear facilities are toast, whether it's the Israelis that do it or the Americans doesn't matter but I reckon it IS going to happen.
Russia isn't going to want a nuclear armed Iran on its border. I once heard a story. I can't recall the exact details and I can't remember when it happened but I seem to remember reading the story somewhere reliable (in terms of trustworthyness).
There were various terrorist attacks on Russian soil emanating from Iran (this was during the Soviet era). Russia couldn't formally pin the blame on the Tehran government for lack of evidence but they had a pretty good idea that they were behind it.
So one day they called the Iranian foreign minister into the Kremlin. He was ushered into a room where his opposite number, the Russian minister, was sat behind a desk. The Russian minister said nothing for a while and then he pulled a nut out and placed it on the table. Then he took out a large hammer and smashed it down on the nut. Then he said:
"One more terrorist attack happens in this country and that's your holy city of Qom"
Then guards came in and took the Iranian minister out. There were no more terrorist attacks after that. I know they have a new government now but not THAT much has changed. Russia don't fuck about, they never have. No love lost between Russia and Iran, that's for sure.
On the other border, we have Iraq. Iraq ain't gonna want a nuclear armed Iran on their border. They had a war with them not long ago. I know that the war involved a previous Iraqi leader but I wouldn't say things are so cosy between the two countries that one of them will trust the other with nuclear weapons. And besides the new Iraqi government will (presumably) be fairly pro-american so they won't object to a strike on Iran's nuclear facilities.
Then there's Turkey which is a NATO member and trying to gain entry to the EU so they won't object. In any case they see themselves as the regional power, they don't want Iran getting nukes because that may tip the balance of power away from Turkey.
So all the border countries don't want Iran getting nukes and probably wouldn't object to a military strike (providing they could pretend in public that they don't approve).
The Security Council powers probably wouldn't object. The US is all for doing it itself. Russia would be happy to let the US take care of the problem for them. China would probably be disapproving but neutral as usual. Britain would probably disapprove but go along with it (what can they do anyway).
That would just leave France. But, since it was France who sold them all their nuclear stuff, people would just assume their objections were out of self-interest so everyone would ignore them.
So I can't see anyone who matters who would seriously object to a military strike.
That nuclear reactor is a dead man walking. It just doesn't realise it's dead yet.
Just my opinion, of course.
Psychonaut
Well-Known Member
banjo said:
I have been following Iranian news for a while now, and recently a lot of big trade agreements seem to have opened up with Russia. Russias continued to turn a blind eye even as Europe is showing signs of putting its foot down. The 'problem' from a Russian perspective is Europe, suddenly making a fuss. Your way off there imo.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
pbman said:
Well, yeehaw! So it's just the 'boys' that die huh?
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
Psychonaut said:
Russian FP is all over the place at the moment and I wouldn't want to comment either way - it's certanly not Russian interests to have a nuclear Iran on it's Southern flank, esp as it still has Islamic problems across the CIS.
Just as a nuked up NK is in no-ones interest in SE Asia, aside from radical Islamist and/or Arabist groups Iran with nukes is about as welcome as...Israel with nukes. And IIRC Iran is a NPT signatory which Israel isn't.
cemertyone
Well-Known Member
pbman said:
And how many of the Elite`s children from American society will die in these rambo operations....None.
Not a single Senator`s child is currently serving in the Armed forces in Iraq....they wrap themselves in the Stars and Strips (no its not a spelling mistake
) and then send the poor white trash and desperate urban poor blacks..to do there killing for them.....And an idiot like PBman has not even the intelligence to see this....tell me Pbman ( well more like boy actually) if you support your county`s actions so much why aren`t you serving your country????
Your daddy`s not applied for your to join the Texas National Guard as a part time Airman then.......
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
what utter bollocks! It is US foereign policy and propping up of Israel which is the sole cause of such attacks, and the Iraq war etc are almost a surefire guarantor of more attacks in the corner.pbman said:
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