Bus driver uppercuts unruly female passenger in Ohio

[GarfieldLeChat]

I would be really, really surprised if a standard defence in domestic abuse cases was "while I was doing my job she spat in my face and then attacked me in front of several witnesses".

There's a strong, easily made argument that this driver responded in a badly inappropriate way. I'm not 100% convinced myself, as I strongly believe that you shouldn't hit people without expecting them to hit you back, often harder. Each to their own, and we could have endless hours of fun bouncing it back and forth I'm sure.

But the idea that somehow anyone who defends the bus driver is a defender of domestic abuse...well that's just not true.

what no one ever used the she started it/was asking for it/look what she made me do defence then... no? never? right...

read around the subject a little...

that's the tenor of what's being said and those agreeing with the sentiment...

interesting too that you'd try and deflect the patently obvious reasoning behind the comment to mitigate that sentiment and justify the actions, in fact you're going out of you way to justify the actions of the driver.

If you don't think this is sexist ask yourself this if it had been a male having that argument with him would he have gotten out of his seat? would he have attack him? would he have thrown them of the bus... if you genuinely believe he would then carry on with your defence of his actions otherwise stop making excuses for the fucker and at the same time exposing yourself and your attitude...

 

[butchersapron]

what no one ever used the she started it/was asking for it/look what she made me do defence then... no? never? right...

read around the subject a little...

that's the tenor of what's being said and those agreeing with the sentiment...

interesting too that you'd try and deflect the patently obvious reasoning behind the comment to mitigate that sentiment and justify the actions, in fact you're going out of you way to justify the actions of the driver.

If you don't think this is sexist ask yourself this if it had been a male having that argument with him would he have gotten out of his seat? would he have attack him? would he have thrown them of the bus... if you genuinely believe he would then carry on with your defence of his actions otherwise stop making excuses for the fucker and at the same time exposing yourself and your attitude...

You sexist cunt.

 

[Louloubelle]

The woman is extremely aggressive to him, we can see that she tries to grab him while he is driving the bus and in charge of the safety of a load of passengers, thus endangering everyone on the bus. She calls him a bitch, spits in his face, assaults him.

In the video afterwards she still has all her teeth, she isn't wearing a neck brace, she looks absolutely fine but is whining about how much it hurts.

I think that this will make me unpopular but.....

People are making a big deal about her being a young woman but the driver is in his 60s. He probably looked fairly harmless while she was having a go at him while he was sitting down.

She assaulted what she thought was a harmless old man and she ended up regretting her actions. Hopefully she will learn from this and treat elderly bus drivers with respect in the future.

Personally I don't think that gender is the be all and end all in situations like this. Some young women can be more dangerous and meaner than young men. if he was a big, mean guy who without provocation just hit her, that would be appalling. As it is, she was the main aggressor up until the point at which she grabbed him and endangered all the passengers.

Even after he hit her she wasted no time coming back for more, if he had meant to hurt her I think it likely that he could have easily hit her so hard that she would snooze for a bit.

 

[butchersapron]

Jesus christ

 

[butchersapron]

No kids then llb? No nephews or nieces? If so, you just ATTEMPT TO FUCK THEM UP when they do wrong - no lesser tools at your disposal?

You claim to be a practicing psychologist or something don't you?

 

[Louloubelle]

I do have nieces. To my knowledge they don't go around assaulting bus drivers, spitting at them and calling them "bitches".

 

[Louloubelle]

So do you believe that aggressive females should be protected from the consequences of their violent actions due to their gender?

 

[butchersapron]

I do have nieces. To my knowledge they don't go around assaulting bus drivers, spitting at them and calling them "bitches".

FUCK EM RIGHT UP IF THEY DID.

You, of course, are missing the point by concentrating on actions of the girl who got hit.

 

[butchersapron]

So do you believe that aggressive females should be protected from the consequences of their violent actions due to their gender?

I believe pathetic non-threatening mouthy fucks should be dealt with without weighing them, trying to get you feet distance up and trying to deliver a teeth-smasher yes.

 

[Lemon Eddy]

If you don't think this is sexist ask yourself this if it had been a male having that argument with him would he have gotten out of his seat? would he have attack him? would he have thrown them of the bus

I reckon that if he thought he was stronger than a hypothetical male attacker that'd he'd probably still have tried to punch them. On the other hand, I'd say if they were a lot bigger than him, he might well have stayed in his chair and hit the panic button.

Of course, I'd say if the woman was bigger than him, indicated she was armed, or in the initial attack had hit him hard enough to make him think she was tougher than him then he'd probably also have stayed in his chair and hit the panic button.

 

[Louloubelle]

The actions of the girl who got hit are fairly central to the whole issue at hand.

if she hadn't behaved in the way that she did she wouldn't have got hit would she?

 

[Mr.Bishie]

On the other hand, I'd say if they were a lot bigger than him, he might well have stayed in his chair and hit the panic button.

Of course, I'd say if the woman was bigger than him, indicated she was armed, or in the initial attack had hit him hard enough to make him think she was tougher than him then he'd probably also have stayed in his chair and hit the panic button.

Or as is law, "stood his ground" in self defence & shot her/him in the face.

 

[butchersapron]

The actions of the girl who got hit are fairly central to the whole issue at hand.

if she hadn't behaved in the way that she did she wouldn't have got hit would she?

How central are they to him choosing to slap her, right cross here, bundle her, jab her, kick her or uppercut her? Or are all levels of response acceptable?

 

[Louloubelle]

I believe pathetic non-threatening mouthy fucks should be dealt with without weighing them, trying to get you feet distance up and trying to deliver a teeth-smasher yes.

1 - she wasn't non -threatening, she was extremely threatening and endangered all the passengers
2 she has all her teeth, the blow looked spectacular but was delivered in such a way as to throw her off balance (literally) and she still came back for more!
3 - pathetic - yes I'll grant you that

 

[butchersapron]

The actions of the girl who got hit are fairly central to the whole issue at hand.

if she hadn't behaved in the way that she did she wouldn't have got hit would she?

Let's assume that she did act as she did - now what range of options are open for the 59 year old experienced man to take against the mouthy little teenager.

 

[butchersapron]

1 - she wasn't non -threatening, she was extremely threatening and endangered all the passengers
2 she has all her teeth, the blow looked spectacular but was delivered in such a way as to throw her off balance (literally) and she still came back for more!
3 - pathetic - yes I'll grant you that

She was a pathetic non-threat.
She would not if he caught her as intended on the chin. She's be like some ernie shavers dude otherwise.

 

[petee]

I believe pathetic non-threatening mouthy fucks should be dealt with without weighing them, trying to get you feet distance up and trying to deliver a teeth-smasher yes.

so how would you do it?

 

[Lemon Eddy]

I believe pathetic non-threatening mouthy fucks should be dealt with without weighing them, trying to get you feet distance up and trying to deliver a teeth-smasher yes.

You don't think that someone hitting you and throttling you while driving (per the witness statements) is the sort of thing that might just make you lose your rag?

 

[butchersapron]

so how would you do it?

Just open the doors and push her the fuck off. Look at the two.

 

[Mr.Bishie]

Stop the bus & ask her politely to leave the bus. Failing that shoot her in the face?

 

[butchersapron]

You don't think that someone hitting you and throttling you while driving (per the witness statements) is the sort of thing that might just make you lose your rag?

Throttling you? A little kiddy? And 10 seconds later, after you work out your boxing grounds to deliver - good luck in court. Of course he lost his rag, what part of my argument says different?

 

[bi0boy]

 

[petee]

Just open the doors and push her the fuck off. Look at the two.

so he should use his superior strength to do violence to a younger woman? highly irresponsible. she might crack her head on the curb, or tumble over a bystander, if they're in the right lane, but if they're out in the middle of the road she might fall into oncoming traffic that can;t stop.

 

[butchersapron]

Stop the bus & ask her politely to leave the bus. Failing that shoot her in the face?

Get all those watching dicks to push her off or they all get held up

 

[butchersapron]

so he should use his superior strength to do violence to a younger woman? highly irresponsible.

Yes he should, he shouldn't use it to do any sort of violence he wanted to.

 

[petee]

Yes he should, he shouldn't use it to do any sort of violence he wanted to.

well if he chose to push her off the bus then he's using the sort of violence he wanted.
the correct answer of course is the one i gave already on the previous page. if she had turned her violence on others, then he would be within his rights (perhaps even within his responsibilities but i doubt that) to restrain her, but after he opened the doors.

 

[cesare]

Nah, she wasn't "asking for it". Size of him ... he should have just told her to get off, then forcibly ejected her if necessary. He was provoked but that was way disproportionate.

 

[Louloubelle]

Let's assume that she did act as she did - now what range of options are open for the 59 year old experienced man to take against the mouthy little teenager.

I have never worked as a bus driver and I do not know about the various options open to them.

If he had a slidey glass door that could whoosh upwards and protect him from further assaults / spit then maybe he could use that, but that would leave ranty, spitting, violent girl with other innocent passengers.

Maybe he didn't have a whooshy protective glass door?

People seem to assume that this girl was a sweet delicate little flower, when, from the video it appears that she is someone who enjoys confrontation and drama, has a potty mouth and who cannot control her violent impulses.

I have witnessed several assaults on bus drivers over the years and they do get more than their fair share of nonsense.

This guy was just mad as hell and not going to take it any more.

 

[butchersapron]

well if he chose to push her off the bus then he's using the sort of violence he wanted.
the correct answer of course is the one i gave already on the previous page. if she had turned her violence on others, then he would be within his rights (perhaps even within his responsibilities but i doubt that) to restrain her, but after he opened the doors.

What sort of protection does this offers workers? Sit tight until they start on someone else?

 

[DotCommunist]

he's not michael douglas from Falling Down ffs