Bus driver uppercuts unruly female passenger in Ohio
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don't drag me into that shitstorm
Clair De Lune
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Bullshit man! wtf? When your adrenaline is pumping you don't feel much.If he had asked for some assistance to remove her from the bus....THAT would have been the right response. Punching her in the face? dragging her by the hair, physically throwing her off the bus?
He deserves to lose his job if he can't keep his temper in check.DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
quite few potential wife beaters outing themselves on this thread
He stopped the bus by Chagrin Boulevard.
silverfish
Sprinkling glitter on turds
Clair De Lune
Apocalypse cocktails
Ok let's take this apart. Self defence, I take that to mean defending yourself when you are being physically attacked. You defend yourself in order to not have your head kicked in. He was NOT doing that. He hit her because he lost it and it was revenge. He was under no physical threat at the time, he was just angry and wanted to hit her. I am not defending her actions in the slightest, she was bang out of order too. But using the self defence line? nah. If anything his pride was bruised and he was playing to his audience.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Everyone is a 'potential' wife beater.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
And that's how thing work in a town like Cleveland.
It may be shocking to a British mind, doubt that are many in the US who are that shocked.
Lemon Eddy
Disliked by dwyer
Why so sexist, etc, etc.
I don't like hitting people in general, outside of sparring. The only circumstances where I'd be likely to do that, rather than my preferred option of buggering off, are pretty fucking rare and non-gender specific.
Do you feel that violence is more acceptable if you're inflicting it on men rather than women?
Lemon Eddy
Disliked by dwyer
Fuck me sideways, now it's "potential" as an insult? Righty ho. You are, undeniably and beyond any possible refutation, a potential child rapist. I trust you are suitably ashamed of yourself.
longdog
What is it you can't face?
Saying women are not totally exempt from a punch isn't the same as wife-beating and it's a silly comparison to make.
I once punched (fairly lightly) a woman in the face in a pub when she realised words weren't going to stop me ignoring her attempts to wind me up so she dug her talons in to my arm. I still have the scars on my arm and I don't regret for a moment punching her. It was a perfectly justified spur of the moment reaction to being assaulted and she deserved it.
That doesn't mean I go about punching women as a hobby any more than I go around punching men just for the hell of it but the 'you must never hit a woman under any circumstances' bullshit doesn't reflect the real world where some women are dangerous lunatics quite happy to inflict violence on men (or other women) in the hope that their victim won't retaliate.
If a woman was coming towards you with a .357 magnum and you had a .44 would you let her shoot you because she was smaller than you and had a less powerful gun? Same thing.
Chivalry and and gentlemanly conduct are a laudable aims but they have limits. Punching somebody, male or female, who just happens to be smaller and weaker than you doesn't necessarily make you a bounder and a cad if the circumstances demand it.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
Hey, I'm not the one justifying a haduken on a female.
Gromit
International Man of Misery
I don't believe in the never hit a woman credo because that leads some women to believe that they can safely abuse any man they like with no consequences. Everyone should have to face consequences and if you are violent then don't complain about violent responses.
However, the bus driver reacted with too much force to the circumstances. Should have just told her to get off and if she didn't he can radio for police and they'll do it. It's the safest option for all and protects him from prosecution.
However, the bus driver reacted with too much force to the circumstances. Should have just told her to get off and if she didn't he can radio for police and they'll do it. It's the safest option for all and protects him from prosecution.
Lemon Eddy
Disliked by dwyer
Hey, I'm not the one justifying child rape.
See! Isn't sophomoric debating just the bestest fun evah? All we have to do is ignore what the other person is saying, attribute to them a stance that has nothing whatsoever to do with what they've actually said, and throw in some meaningless insults such as "potential", and the sky's the limit.
Tell you what, while we're pissing about with logical fallacies how about a few classics? Maybe a loaded question? When did you stop brutalising pets? Or an absence of logic? I have no proof that you are innocent of racial hate crimes, therefore you could well be guilty of them.
How can you look in the mirror, you child molesting, puppy stabbing racist scum? You make me sick. Sick!
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
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Giles?
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
It's potentially the best thread ever.
el-ahrairah
forward communism, forward gerbils!
i'm not. i'm a convicted one.
joustmaster
offcumdun
if you physically attack someone, you can't complain if they attack you back.
the driver seems to be in the wrong because his actions weren't as an immediate defense. They seemed like a revenge strike.
the driver seems to be in the wrong because his actions weren't as an immediate defense. They seemed like a revenge strike.
Lemon Eddy
Disliked by dwyer
He wasn't your wife.
spanglechick
High Empress of Dressing Up
What the fuck has her gender got to do with it? If this is about a size differential, talk about a size differential, but the thing about feminism is it means women don't have special rights not to be beaten up.
Domestic violence is different - its a campaign of physical/verbal/psych abuse from someone you trust and can't easily escape. Men and women who beat up their partners are scum. But outside of violence in relationships, there isn't any justification for some blanket rule: "thou must not hit a woman", and it diminishes women to perpetuate that myth - regardless of it being more pleasant for the woman in question.
Us the guy a twat? Possibly. Is he more of a twat because she's a woman? No, of course not.
malatesta32
Not Serb. No, Really!
she want to be a man, I'm gonna treat her like a man.”
so they sat around drinking beer and talking bollocks about football for hours.
so they sat around drinking beer and talking bollocks about football for hours.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Possibly? The use of disproportional force based on size and potential to do damage makes him one - right? Are you really in any doubt about this?
General point - highlighting the OTT nature of his (look liked side swiped miss to me) UC is not sympathy with the girl.
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
noted...
the standard misogynistic defence of domestic abuse and no surprises for those who support the point of view...
petee
no gods, no malarkey
and gotten none?
ideally of course you park the bus, open the doors so people can get off if they want, and call the police. no uppercut justified. [son of a nyc bus driver here]
and what are her consequence for not keeping her temper in check? it appears she put everyone on the bus in danger of their lives by attacking the driver while at the wheel.
the word used at me some while ago was "perhaps"
Lemon Eddy
Disliked by dwyer
I would be really, really surprised if a standard defence in domestic abuse cases was "while I was doing my job she spat in my face and then attacked me in front of several witnesses".
There's a strong, easily made argument that this driver responded in a badly inappropriate way. I'm not 100% convinced myself, as I strongly believe that you shouldn't hit people without expecting them to hit you back, often harder. Each to their own, and we could have endless hours of fun bouncing it back and forth I'm sure.
But the idea that somehow anyone who defends the bus driver is a defender of domestic abuse...well that's just not true.
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