Brexit or Bremain - Urban votes

[brogdale]

although...on the actual event...

 

[discokermit]

Punters' verdict on that Wembley thing....

+5 undecided?
that was a useful contribution by the media there.

 

[agricola]

But people lap it up, if the vox pops are any guide. It is a key strength of the leave campaign(s)...they've offered simplistic phrases that resonate and are easy to recall.

Certainly it is a better line than "if we leave they will wreck our economy".

 

[brogdale]

Certainly it is a better line than "if we leave they will wreck our economy".

As we've said before IWMCB works on so many levels, but perhaps the most effective one for many is that it gives people 'permission' to express rather unpleasant views in a politically correct/patriotic wrapping. Darkly insidious and divisive.

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

Why do they need 3 microphones each?

Because despite them all having two faces they tend just to speak out their arse.

 

[coley]

And at the next GE we replace bedlice with more bedlice, albeit with differently-coloured skins.

But if our political focus is 'narrowed' mebbes more people will feel inclined to be involved?

 

[xenon]

Twitter cunts.

 

[xenon]

Let's all watch question time again.

 

[DotCommunist]

Let's all watch question time again.

no. Watch Tormund Giantsbane rip out the Boltons champion's throat with his teeth instead

 

[xenon]

no. Watch Tormund Giantsbane rip out the Boltons champion's throat with his teeth instead

Careful now. We need a Dimbleby

 

[coley]

Do you honestly think that a Leave win will lead to a Labour victory in 2020? I can't see it myself.

I can see it leading to a hung parliament next year.

 

[xenon]

I can see it leading to a hung parliament next year.

Shoulda gone to spec savers

 

[coley]

we'll see

The cries for Scottish independence have been somewhat muted since the oil price crash, and a lot of Scots will have an aye on what's been done to the more hard up smaller states in recent years.

 

[Ax^]

I can see it leading to a hung parliament next year.

up against the wall .... not dangling

 

[coley]

I like the BBC facts before the debates ...

The BBC hasn't exactly been impartial in this particular issue!

 

[coley]

up against the wall .... not dangling

Stick the EU commissioners against the wall first and I'll consider voting remain, it all about democracy

 

[Ax^]

in a negative or positive way to a brit exit?


John Whittingdales being fucking with the Beeb for years..

 

[coley]

Shoulda gone to spec savers

Always have

 

[coley]

in a negative or positive way to a brit exit?


John Whittingdales being fucking with the Beeb for years..

Negative, on all levels, turned off the debate tonight after watching the remain lot getting a free ride compared to the instant heckling as soon as a leaver began to speak.

 

[Ax^]

cannie script the public..


shall have to watch it later after work

 

[Ax^]

just watching it ...


how the fuck is Gisela Stuart a Labour MP

"how can i say i cannot trust the UK voters in bring in a goverment that protects workers rights"

*points at the torys standing next to her*

 

[Dogsauce]

Three weeks out of the country then for the last week my TV aerial hasn't worked properly so I can only get the Leeds local channel. No televised debate bollocks, no news spin. I've not missed a fucking thing have I, other than raised blood pressure?

 

[brogdale]

Three weeks out of the country then for the last week my TV aerial hasn't worked properly so I can only get the Leeds local channel. No televised debate bollocks, no news spin. I've not missed a fucking thing have I, other than raised blood pressure?

Blessed, I'd say.

 

[not-bono-ever]

just watching it ...


how the fuck is Gisela Stuart a Labour MP

"how can i say i cannot trust the UK voters in bring in a goverment that protects workers rights"

*points at the torys standing next to her*

She does have previous as a shouty warmonger IIRC

 

[J Ed]

Make the terrible incorrect memes posted by people who smugly think they are 'fact-checking' others STOP

 

[mk12]

Make the terrible incorrect memes posted by people who smugly think they are 'fact-checking' others STOP

I read something by an academic on Twitter where he said that the EU was more democratic than the UK because MEPs are not elected using FPTP.

Frances O'Grady was incoherent during yesterday's debate. She made a few points about the bankers causing the financial crisis, but then said that'll happen again if we leave. But...it happened when were part of the EU? I don't get her reasoning at all.

The Scottish woman kept saying the leave side aren't telling people what will happen if we leave, such as how many people will lose their jobs. So can remainers tell us how many people will lose their jobs over the next five years if we stay in? No?

 

[butchersapron]

I read something by an academic on Twitter where he said that the EU was more democratic than the UK because MEPs are not elected using FPTP.

Frances O'Grady was incoherent during yesterday's debate. She made a few points about the bankers causing the financial crisis, but then said that'll happen again if we leave. But...it happened when were part of the EU? I don't get her reasoning at all.

The Scottish woman kept saying the leave side aren't telling people what will happen if we leave, such as how many people will lose their jobs. So can remainers tell us how many people will lose their jobs over the next five years if we stay in? No?

This is how the more democratic EU runs Greece:

Greece is now a semi-protectorate: a bigger Kosovo. There is a new austerity package, with further cuts and taxes—to an economy that has already lost a quarter of its GDP. The Greek government has lost any real legislative power, since any bill has to be approved by the Quartet before being submitted to the Parliament. On the side of the executive power, the tax-collecting body, the General Secretariat of Public Revenue, is now fully ‘independent’ of the elected government and is in reality controlled by appointees of Brussels. Decrees issued by the Secretariat have an equal value to decisions of the Cabinet—this is written in the Memorandum. Then there’s the Council for Fiscal Discipline, with five members, functioning along the same lines. They are unaccountable to any governmental authority, closely monitored by the Quartet and can impose cuts on any expenditure if they suspect there might be a deviation from fiscal targets, which demand a 3.5 per cent surplus from 2018. Deprived of its levers, the Greek state is also being stripped of its remaining assets. The airports have already been sold to a German company, of which the major stakeholder is the federal state of Hesse. The banks have essentially been sold to vulture funds. Home repossessions will start this February. Syriza is very proud to have obtained measures which they say will protect 25 per cent of mortgages; meaning that 75 per cent will be opened up to recuperation by the banks.

 

[J Ed]

This is how the more democratic EU runs Greece:

The total lack of any interest in addressing the issue of Greece on the Remain side truly is despicable.

 

[butchersapron]

This is how the more democratic and pro-immigrant EU manages migration:

EU States’ dangerous approach to migration places asylum in jeopardy worldwide - MSF to no longer take funds from EU Member States and institutions

Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF) announced today that it will no longer take funds from the European Union and Member States, in opposition to their damaging deterrence policies and intensifying attempts to push people and their suffering away from European shores.

This decision will take effect immediately and will apply to MSF’s projects worldwide.

Last week the European Commission unveiled a new proposal to replicate the EU-Turkey logic across more than 16 countries in Africa and the Middle East. These deals would impose trade and development aid cuts on countries that do not stem migration to Europe or facilitate forcible returns, rewarding those that do. Among these potential partners are Somalia, Eritrea, Sudan and Afghanistan – four of the top ten* refugee generating countries.

“Is Europe’s only offer to refugees that they stay in countries they are desperate to flee? Once again, Europe’s main focus is not on how well people will be protected, but on how efficiently they are kept away,” said Oberreit.

 

[butchersapron]

The total lack of any interest in addressing the issue of Greece on the Remain side truly is despicable.

Yes. I think it demonstrates a pretty clear nationalist basis for their internationalism. In the same way the above one shows the EU is just UKIP on a larger scale.