Brexit or Bremain - Urban votes

[maomao]

I'm wavering due to the sight of my local Tory MP and his vermin friends campaigning for Leave outside my local train station today. I did some shouting and swearing (it's amazing what you can get away with when you're pushing a pushchair) but am I really lining up with these shitcunts tomorrow?

 

[Teaboy]

I'm wavering due to the sight of my local Tory MP and his vermin friends campaigning for Leave outside my local train station today. I did some shouting and swearing (it's amazing what you can get away with when you're pushing a pushchair) but am I really lining up with these shitcunts tomorrow?

Its a big problem regardless of which way you vote. Imagine voting remain, remain wins and then having to watch the smug shit-eating grins on Cameron & Osborn's face in full knowledge that you helped put it there.

 

[J Ed]

Anyone else genuinely forget about the existence of Lib Dems for the duration of Ref campaign?

 

[maomao]

Anyone else genuinely forgot about the existence of Lib Dems for the duration of Ref campaign?

I tend to forget about their existence unless there's one on the telly at that exact moment.

 

[Teaboy]

Anyone else genuinely forgot about the existence of Lib Dems for the duration of Ref campaign?

Sadly I've been unable to. Lib dems are the second biggest party here and held the seat up until the last election. We have been deluged with pro-remain lib dem leaflets. I think they've just given up on the rest of the country.

 

[chilango]

Anyone else genuinely forgot about the existence of Lib Dems for the duration of Ref campaign?

Rallying their 2-3% of the vote behind Remain is going to be crucial....er....

 

[hot air baboon]

Anyone else genuinely forget about the existence of Lib Dems for the duration of Ref campaign?

sadly not as I have been unable to avoid appearances by Lord Pantsdown & Clegg during the proceedings to date....

....getting real pre-match nerves now...its been such alot of fun we ought to consider making it a fixture ...no more than every 4 years though...maybe hold it in a different country each time like Eurovision...

 

[Yossarian]

Anyone else genuinely forget about the existence of Lib Dems for the duration of Ref campaign?

Seems like a major oversight from the Exit campaign, they could probably have swung things a few points in their favor just by sticking up posters of Nick Clegg's face.

 

[DotCommunist]

Anyone else genuinely forget about the existence of Lib Dems for the duration of Ref campaign?

 

[Wilhelmina.Trav]

Stay i. The UK. I hate Farage n feel he's racist. I think a lot of people don't understand the implications of leaving n are voting die to a lot pf the racial propaganda termed "immigration"

STAY! Better the devil ye know n these Torry assholes already want rid of the NHS. Leaving the EU would give them more power n I doubt a lot of people want that.

Evey

 

[redsquirrel]

This video is being shared all over the place.

And? What are your thoughts about the opinions of this "independent academic expert" who "advises the cabinet office"?

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

Stay i. The UK. I hate Farage n feel he's racist. I think a lot of people don't understand the implications of leaving n are voting die to a lot pf the racial propaganda termed "immigration"

STAY! Better the devil ye know n these Torry assholes already want rid of the NHS. Leaving the EU would give them more power n I doubt a lot of people want that.

Evey

Well I'm convinced.

 

[Pickman's model]

Isn't it just. It makes me want to Exit the UK, fear, lies and outright drivel in every direction.

I don't think it'll stop afterwards either.

It will never end

 

[chilango]

Every time someone from Remain speaks on TV I want to vote "out" but then someone from Brexit gets their turn and that makes me want to vote "in".

 

[chilango]

Do think I could manage to draw this on my ballot as a third option?

 

[Pickman's model]

Do think I could manage to draw this on my ballot as a third option?

By the time you've got halfway through they'll send someone in to check you haven't had a coronary

 

[chilango]

By the time you've got halfway through they'll send someone in to check you haven't had a coronary

Wonder what would happen to your vote if you died half way through the "x"?

 

[Treacle Toes]

And? What are your thoughts about the opinions of this "independent academic expert" who "advises the cabinet office"?

I will tell you once I have watched it. Excuse me for being busy at work. Also fuck you... Don't ever demand shit from me or condescend in this way.

 

[Pickman's model]

Wonder what would happen to your vote if you died half way through the "x"?

A clear preference had been shown and the vote would count. Unless the x covered half the paper

 

[chilango]

A clear preference had been shown and the vote would count. Unless the x covered half the paper

Yeah. What if you'd marked the first strike of your "x" but then slumped dead pencil in hand dragged across into the other box. Harsh.

I get people have died in the polling booth before. Does someone pop the paper in the box for them?

(Y'see what this shitty referendum and its shitty hucksters has reduced me to. Fuckers.)

 

[redsquirrel]

I will tell you once I have watched it. Excuse me for being busy at work. Also fuck you... Don't ever demand shit from me or condescend in this way.

Fuck you too.

You stuck up a half hour youtube video (which you haven't even watched yet) without any comment, don't pretend that it's out of order for someone to pull you up on it. That type of thing has always been, rightly, criticised, as bullshit.

 

[Wilhelmina.Trav]

Whatever happens there's gna be outrage n people shouting fix as people love to moan. If we stay people moan theres an immigration problem n if we leave people will moan about the trafing. Damned if you do n damned if you don't. I'm eccited to see what happens tho.

Evey

 

[bi0boy]

I'm voting remain. I admire Lexiters for being able to wake up on Friday morning to a gloating Leave campaign and feel optimistic about the future. I just see short term pain for immigrants, the NHS etc with no long term gain for anyone.

 

[inva]

I'm voting remain. I admire Lexiters for being able to wake up on Friday morning to a gloating Leave campaign and feel optimistic about the future. I just see short term pain for immigrants, the NHS etc with no long term gain for anyone.

what do you foresee in the event of a remain vote?

 

[ViolentPanda]

Even if the result of a leave vote is the Tories all pulling together (I don't see it, however), how will they do any better than they are doing this Parliament? Look at how many u-turns they have had to make recently. Things are beginning to shift against them. The electoral arithmetic of the commons at the moment makes brexit much less risky than it might have been under other circumstances.

Electoral dynamics show us that the most usual outcome of a change of leader of a governing party part-way through a term (Cameron's resignation will happen if "leave" wins) is that the electorate give the new leader the benefit of the doubt, even if the wider party has been shafting the electorate left, right and centre. AFAICR, the only time this hasn't happened in the 20th and 21st centuries, is when Brown took over from Blair, and that was at least partially due to several years of monstering of Brown by the media.

 

[stethoscope]

what do you foresee in the event of a remain vote?

Vote remain to continue that pain for immigrants, the NHS, etc. but with no long term gain for most of us.

 

[hot air baboon]

...referenda make for uncomfortable political bed-fellows..its in the nature of the beast..Tony Benn had to stand as a totem anti-Common Market figure in 1975 alongside Enoch Powell - in the face of an overwhelming mainstream concensus...

mind you both men of a substance & intellectual heft that makes a bit of a sick joke of our modern day Ersatz Enoch & Russel Russy-Wussy Brand ( ...never mind the Lib Dems what the hell happened to him... )

 

[SpookyFrank]

Its a big problem regardless of which way you vote. Imagine voting remain, remain wins and then having to watch the smug shit-eating grins on Cameron & Osborn's face in full knowledge that you helped put it there.

They always have smug shit-eating grins on their faces. The sight of a look of triumph on Boris Johnson's face, those beady little eyes all lit up with the knowledge that by picking the winning team in a contest he doesn't give a fuck about he's put himself on course to become prime minister, is not something my heart can likely stand.

 

[Puddy_Tat]

Having originally been faintly tending towards 'leave' (on the basis that there's a lot wrong with the EU) I'm now undecided between a fairly unenthusiastic 'remain' and writing something rude on the paper (my arts skills are limited)

If there was a 'leave' option based on an alternative to neoliberalism, offering real internationalism and less fortress europe, less of the EU gravy train, more pro-people and less pro-business, I'd have no doubts about voting leave.

But that's not on offer now and I can't see it being on offer any time soon. What's on offer is a little englander vision that's not even being veiled with its racism any more.

And I can't see how I can vote for that, no matter how shit the current tory government is.

I don't want 'cameron to win' but the idea of the racist right feeling it's won is even less appealing.

The idea that the likes of farage, gove, johnson, the very rich people who own the sun and the mail are somehow 'pro working class' strikes me as bollocks on a massive scale.

trying to appeal to some of the working class by scapegoating - of minorities (who in many cases are part of the working class as well), working class people who are too sick to work or who can't get jobs, of the dwindling number of working class people who still have (comparitively) secure jobs and decent pensions and / or secure social tenancies, and spreading the bullshit (sadly swallowed by too many people out there) that it's somehow 'fair' to deal with inequalities by equalising down, is not 'pro working class' in my book.

I can't see how 'brexit' is going to lead to a sudden upsurge in socialism in the UK any time soon. I'm not personally going to experience racism on the streets, but I've noticed the closet racists (mainly at work - don't think i've got many in my social circle) getting more 'out and proud' in recent weeks. And I wonder who they are going to scapegoat next if they suddenly realise that brexit doesn't mean mass deportations.

If we do get a snap election, I can't see the current bandwagon suddenly going in to reverse - a lot of bullshit and union jack waving from the right, and jeremy corbyn making polite noises that the media largely ignores (assuming the blairites don't panic and throw corbyn overboard) is likely to deliver something even worse than we've got now.

Bleurgh.

 

[stethoscope]

Having originally been faintly tending towards 'leave' (on the basis that there's a lot wrong with the EU) I'm now undecided between a fairly unenthusiastic 'remain' and writing something rude on the paper (my arts skills are limited)

If there was a 'leave' option based on an alternative to neoliberalism, offering real internationalism and less fortress europe, less of the EU gravy train, more pro-people and less pro-business, I'd have no doubts about voting leave.

So how does that translate to a remain? Abstain/spoil at best.