Brexit or Bremain - Urban votes

[editor]

Who would have guessed that the millionaire friend and neighbour of the Camerons would be in the Remain camp?

Not all of his friends are Remainers, y'know. Still, I think that's enough Clarkson for now.

 

[Dowie]

Except how you engage with that poster is how you engage with anyone who questions your opinions.

not particularly, no

part of the reason why I don't want to waste time engaging with that poster is because of how I've seen him engage with other posters on here. His initial questioning was side tracking from the point I entered the thread to make and it would inevitably end up in a bunch of time wasting tit for tat posting... it took seven posts just to make it clear to him that I had no wish to enter a wider discussion with him in the first place. You both seem to have more free time to waste posting on here than I do.

 

[DotCommunist]

clarkeson may give it the bigot but at the end of the day he's loaded and doesn't want to have to queue to long at the port to go nurberg ring or wherever it might be. Le mans or whatever.

 

[brogdale]

clarkeson may give it the bigot but at the end of the day he's loaded and doesn't want to have to queue to long at the port to go nurberg ring or wherever it might be. Le mans or whatever.

Probably more a reflection of what his present employer wants?

 

[discokermit]

I would have thought Clarkson would have been a full on Brexiteer.

house owner, social class (a?), foreign holidays, all point to remain. how are you surprised? he's voting with his class.

 

[laptop]

It seems to me that fear of what the Tories might do after leaving is a main driving motivation for many on the left who want to stay/abstain. I think these fears are unfounded.

You WANT them to be unfounded. For the purposes of arguing your position.

 

[YouSir]

You WANT them to be unfounded. For the purposes of arguing your position.

What's their foundation then? The makeup of parliament won't alter, the Tory government won't be extended, striking doctors, left campaigners, people who're anti austerity - they won't just disappear. How does the fight change from what it currently is? Some issues may become a bit more immediate, but they will be issues, not dictats straight from Johnson and Farage's bunker.

Even with a Remain vote Tories will look to continue pushing their agenda, it'll just be a different faction of the party. The EU won't step in either way.

 

[gosub]

Probably more a reflection of what his present employer wants?

If you read his articles, he has always had a soft spot for Europe. Extending it to the EU allows him to continue his highly profitable penchant for racially aggravated violence.

 

[brogdale]

If you read his articles, he has always had a soft spot for Europe. Extending it to the EU allows him to continue his highly profitable penchant for racially aggravated violence.

 

[gosub]

Happily admit to being a Sunday Times reader.

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

Sorry, I didn't make myself clear. I was referring to 8den with the muppet comment. Before I saw his posts it looked like you were just shouting at the internet about un-elected European Commissioners.

Hehe. Actually I can see that now. Apologies for being sharp with you. See this is what the referendum is doing to us.

"...and the comissioner declared that Urbanites were to be scattered assunder to the four corners of the board, destined to an eternity of mutual misunderstanding."

 

[brogdale]

Happily admit to being a Sunday Times reader.

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

You WANT them to be unfounded. For the purposes of arguing your position.

I've asked several people over several threads what the mechanism for increased right wing power post-exit is, and I'm yet to get an answer. I'm open to being convinced.

 

[Pickman's model]

I've asked several people over several threads what the mechanism for increased right wing power post-exit is, and I'm yet to get an answer. I'm open to being convinced.

brexit -> goodbye scotland -> permanent tory majority in england and wales and the six counties

 

[Idris2002]

brexit -> goodbye scotland -> permanent tory majority in england and wales and the six counties

I reckon the sick counties are more likely to get lost in the shuffle.

 

[weltweit]

brexit -> goodbye scotland -> permanent tory majority in england and wales and the six counties

Indeed, as a remain voter that is once of my worries.
Of course it was pointed out to me that Scotland may still exit even without a leave vote.

 

[Pickman's model]

Indeed, as a remain voter that is once of my worries.
Of course it was pointed out to me that Scotland may still exit even without a leave vote.

we'll see

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

brexit -> goodbye scotland -> permanent tory majority in england and wales and the six counties

If it's any consolation Scotland appear to intend to piss that up against the wall by joining the EU again anyway. Presumably the eurozone too. Woo.

 

[Pickman's model]

If it's any consolation Scotland appear to intend to piss that up against the wall by joining the EU again anyway. Presumably the eurozone too. Woo.

the population of scotland would double in weeks.

 

[smokedout]

brexit -> goodbye scotland -> permanent tory majority in england and wales and the six counties

are there any parliamentary democracies anywhere (that don't rig elections) where one party has enjoyed a permanent majority?

 

[Pickman's model]

are there any parliamentary democracies anywhere (that don't rig elections) where one party has enjoyed a permanent majority?

the mexican institutional revolutionary party enjoyed great success from its foundation until very recently

oh: and the six counties of course for many, many years

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

the population of scotland would double in weeks.

I'm fully prepared, I didn't throw my refugees welcome banner away from last year so dinnae fash.

 

[Pickman's model]

I'm fully prepared, I didn't throw my refugees welcome banner away from last year so dinnae fash.

i'll use it as a blanket over my sleeping bag when i flee to the north

 

[littlebabyjesus]

are there any parliamentary democracies anywhere (that don't rig elections) where one party has enjoyed a permanent majority?

Japan comes close to that situation.

 

[smokedout]

the mexican institutional revolutionary party enjoyed great success from its foundation until very recently

wikipedia says they cheated

 

[eoin_k]

are there any parliamentary democracies anywhere (that don't rig elections) where one party has enjoyed a permanent majority?

Have you not been paying attention to the recent 'electoral reforms'.

 

[smokedout]

Japan comes close to that situation.

but no cigar

 

[Pickman's model]

wikipedia says they cheated

 

[laptop]

I've asked several people over several threads what the mechanism for increased right wing power post-exit is, and I'm yet to get an answer. I'm open to being convinced.

Eh?

The whole point of exit, for their funders, is to get rid of workers' rights, safety and environmental rules, policy against climate change...

Which, while not perfect, DO EXIST and will continue to do so for decades (there's an upside to the EU sometimes being slower than the electoral cycle in member states).

 

[stethoscope]

The whole point of exit, for their funders, is to get rid of workers' rights

You mean like the TU bill that's being pushed through at the moment despite membership of the EU with the commission seemingly standing by and watching, or the EU/IMF imposing labour reforms in France to make the workforce 'more flexible' and stripping away protections.