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Brexit - impact on musicians, touring and the music/events industry

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So what actual proof have you got that the official band account is lying about all of this for some reason or another?
Why would they lie about it?
Anything?
I only have the news reports to go on, but all of them account for the delays at Dover - which their gear and 'countless other trucks' were caught up in - to a variety of factors - P&O, holiday traffic, existing custom hold ups and now this IT meltdown. As I said, Brexit is in the mix, but to blame it solely on Brexit when there's so many other things putting pressure on the crossings is pretty silly.
 
I only have the news reports to go on, but all of them account for the delays at Dover - which their gear and 'countless other trucks' were caught up in - to a variety of factors - P&O, holiday traffic, existing custom hold ups and now this IT meltdown. As I said, Brexit is in the mix, but to blame it solely on Brexit when there's so many other things putting pressure on the crossings is pretty silly.
You're not there. How do you know? It could be that all those other problems would have been just about ok for them without the Brexit IT meltdown, which is what ultimately caused their gear to be detained. And that they know this for sure. Meanwhile, you don't know. You're calling them out as dishonest with zero evidence, which is pretty silly.
 
As I said, Brexit is in the mix, but to blame it solely on Brexit when there's so many other things putting pressure on the crossings is pretty silly.
You've literally no idea what this band's particular circumstances were, yet here you are still insisting that their official band account (or as you cluelessly put it, "some guys in a band,") wilfully posted up misinformation and lies. It's not a good look.
 
I only have the news reports to go on, but all of them account for the delays at Dover - which their gear and 'countless other trucks' were caught up in - to a variety of factors - P&O, holiday traffic, existing custom hold ups and now this IT meltdown. As I said, Brexit is in the mix, but to blame it solely on Brexit when there's so many other things putting pressure on the crossings is pretty silly.
Probably easier to give the band a two syllable explanation, easily understood (Brexit), and send them ahead of the truck.
 
Probably easier to give the band a two syllable explanation, easily understood (Brexit), and send them ahead of the truck.
You'll invent any old nonsense in defence of the ongoing disaster for musicians that is Brexit, won't you?

Meanwhile, here's some words from people who know what they're talking about:

Annabella Coldrick, Chief Executive of the Music Managers Forum, told NME in January that more and more problems with the Brexit landscape continue to emerge.

“Last January, we spent most of the month realising that all of our worst fears had come true and we had a No Deal Brexit for music. Then we spent six months trying to work through the details with government, and as we did it just got worse and worse. Now we’re in a situation where things are still popping up left, right and centre.

“We make a bit of progress with one step forward and two steps back, and then more issues arise.”
“I think what we’ll end up with is lots of individual stories of people encountering barriers, increased costs, and difficulties with different enforcements in different countries,” she said. “There are customs officials and transport police who don’t know what different rules apply to the UK. We’re basically going to have a year of dealing with major issues that people are going to encounter on the road, trying to clarify them then trying to get the government to solve them. I have no confidence that they will.”

MPs were warned that musicians would have to abandon tours over Brexit red tape as far back as December 2020, along with issues caused by the lack of visa arrangements for artists touring the EU.

A band with six members, already struggling to avoid losing money on tour, face extra visa costs of £1,800 while visiting three countries, one leading music manager told The Independent.

Last week, DCMS chair Julian Knight MP condemned the chaos that is currently devastating the UK arts, after it emerged that a Chinese production of Phantom of the Opera had been chosen to tour the EU, over the West End version.

“The current EU visa arrangements are proving economically disastrous for our cultural industries by forcing them to play second fiddle to their international competitors, while having a hugely detrimental effect on the ability of the UK to exercise soft power by promoting Britain abroad post-Brexit.”

 
You'll invent any old nonsense in defence of the ongoing disaster for musicians that is Brexit, won't you?

Meanwhile, here's some words from people who know what they're talking about:








You have included two reports of the white lies gig being canx and it's not, their gear showed up?
 
Well if it was down to Brexit, this won't be the last time it happens this year, so we'll see. Accusations of dishonesty/being really thick will become increasingly silly.
 
While I’m sure it’s not the done thing to call people thick, if you think brexit has so far been anything other than a disaster for bands/live music, then sorry, but you’re fucking thick.
 
What’s your evidence that they had no inaccurate assumptions?
LOL. You're the one claiming that they're peddling misinformation and/or a bit thick, so perhaps you should back that up?

And they're not some little indie band travelling in the back of a transit van: they're undertaking a major tour two-month across multiple countries which would be hard to put together if their tour management/agents/managers were full of "inaccurate assumptions."

 
I dunno, somehow lots of people seem to have diametrically opposing views on Brexit related matters without being dishonest or stupid - such is Brexit's deeply divisive nature. So generally I try not to take people making grand claims in one direction or the other at face value. I don't think that's unreasonable.
 
i'd expect if you were booked to do a gig in another country and you get there and your gear hasn't and you've got a massive stressful fuck up on your hands you would find out in quite some detail from the truck driver what has gone wrong as you desperately try and sort it out
 
I dunno, somehow lots of people seem to have diametrically opposing views on Brexit related matters without being dishonest or stupid - such is Brexit's deeply divisive nature. So generally I try not to take people making grand claims in one direction or the other at face value. I don't think that's unreasonable.
Why is that a 'grand claim'? It's a quite small claim, I would have thought, in the grand scheme of things.

That's what the Brexit fuckup looks like to a great extent. Lots and lots and lots and lots of relatively small problems.
 
LOL. You're the one claiming that they're peddling misinformation and/or a bit thick, so perhaps you should back that up?
That's completely not what kabbes said - you've put words in his mouth and added some fictional emotive flavouring besides. You'd think after eleventy billion posts on here you'd have a handle on how to construct a fallacy-free argument but it seems not.
 
i'd expect if you were booked to do a gig in another country and you get there and your gear hasn't and you've got a massive stressful fuck up on your hands you would find out in quite some detail from the truck driver what has gone wrong as you desperately try and sort it out

And the promoter won’t be put off with dog ate my homework excuses. That would have cost them a lot of money.
 
That's what the Brexit fuckup looks like to a great extent. Lots and lots and lots and lots of relatively small problems.

This. Death by a thousand cuts.

Regardless of peoples views on the rights and wrongs of brexit it seems crass to not consider musicians and how they are feeling about their new reality.
 
I dunno, somehow lots of people seem to have diametrically opposing views on Brexit related matters without being dishonest or stupid - such is Brexit's deeply divisive nature. So generally I try not to take people making grand claims in one direction or the other at face value. I don't think that's unreasonable.
You see, if the band had published a long rant against Brexit full of wild misinformation you might possible have a point. But they didn't. What did happen is that they simply explained to their disappointed fans why they had to cancel their show.
 
Is live music evolving and changing as much as people's consumption of recorded music? I've not seen anything either way, I just wondered if live music was getting less popular due to a combination of how music is now and the knock on effects of Covid
 
That's completely not what kabbes said - you've put words in his mouth and added some fictional emotive flavouring besides. You'd think after eleventy billion posts on here you'd have a handle on how to construct a fallacy-free argument but it seems not.
Oh look. personal shit.

So what evidence do you have that their road crew's 'inaccurate assumptions' were to blame rather than Brexit?
 
Oh look. personal shit.

So what evidence do you have that their road crew's 'inaccurate assumptions' were to blame rather than Brexit?
Why should I have any evidence? I didn't make the claim. And neither did kabbes, as far as I can see, he merely suggested it as a possibility.
 
Why is that a 'grand claim'? It's a quite small claim, I would have thought, in the grand scheme of things.

That's what the Brexit fuckup looks like to a great extent. Lots and lots and lots and lots of small problems.
I think 'our gear has been detained along with countless other trucks by brexit legislation' is a grand claim, yeah. especially as it's happened during a week where there's a load of other delays happening.

ftr, I know that Brexit has been a disaster for touring musicians. I've argued as much on this thread multiple times. But I don't think it helps to blame every problem with moving stuff across the channel purely on Brexit - when these guys planned their tour, the brexit-related delays were a known quantity which they presumably will have planned for. What they didn't plan for - couldn't plan for - was the absolute clusterfuck caused this week by P&O sacking half their staff.
 
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