Why do people who voted for the most destructive and pointless change in several generations want to play down how destructive and pointless it is?
Brexit - impact on musicians, touring and the music/events industry
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Starry Wisdom
why do people want to blame what's due to p&o and the shitty customs computers on the most destructive and pointless change in several generations?
could you tell me which aspect of brexit in particular caused the delay to the band's stuff?
No I’m not. I’m doing the opposite — I’m saying that I have no idea about the individual who wrote that tweet and no idea what assumptions, political beliefs or understanding of port operations they have. It therefore seems prudent to put little weight on their opinion. YOU’RE the one who is implicitly making all kinds of assumptions, since you’re willing to simply take their words at face value, unchallenged.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
You do have an idea about the individual who wrote the tweet. They're closely associated with the band and are likely to be well informed about what happened with their equipment. The idea that you should 'put little weight on their opinion' is silly.
Lots of silliness going on here.
For the same reason (some) people who voted against it want to blame everything they possibly can on it I guess. Which is why I take both of their opinions with a pinch of salt.
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hiraethified
They're a well-established professional band with vast experience in undertaking major European tours.
I'll take their explanation of why the Paris gig was cancelled over the opinions of people here who have no idea how the touring industry works. I find the unqualified accusations that it's all their own fault because of their 'inaccurate assumptions' a bit insulting to the band's management, tbh.
Many social media accounts are handled by individuals with no operational relationship with those running the logistics. Do you know that this is any different?
Do you even definitely know that the people running the logistics know for sure the complex technical combinations of reasons behind the delay?
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Starry Wisdom
yeh but no one will say why this IS brexit and ISN'T p&o and shitty customs computers
What’s the name and qualifications of the person that runs their social media feed?
Don’t know. As I have said many times, I personally voted against Brexit.
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Starry Wisdom
i don't know how the touring industry works. but i do know the vast queue of trucks in kent is down to things not connected to brexit. as i've linked above. so i don't think it's the band's fault. but i don't think the band blame the right clusterfuck
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Starry Wisdom
no, we have these arguments all the time
spitfire
Walty McWaltface
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hiraethified
LOL. This is getting off-the scale silly now.
Why? You’ve made strong statements asserting their expertise. To quote you: what your evidence?
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Starry Wisdom
you'll be waiting a while
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
the shitty customs computers stuff IS BREXIT.
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hiraethified
The evidence of their expertise is the major European tours undertaken in the past and the absolutely vast scale of their current major tour. Have you any idea how hard it is to organise a large European tour? It is a vast undertaking.
HTH.
Supine
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No idea what evidence ed had but a quick google showed the IT issues started at end of march and are expected to continue into next week. This week trucks are now being waved through without paperwork to clear the backlog. If you want evidence that trucks have been getting delayed just watch the news
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Starry Wisdom
ah. but the band blamed this on brexit LEGISLATION and not on the computers melting down. so i don't think i can give you that. and brexit certainly didn't cause the ferry clusterfuck
That’s not any evidence at all about the expertise of their social media manager.
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So before you make definitive statements about which particular operational problems caused delays at a port that are purely based on unattributed words on a Twitter feed, shouldn’t you at least try to find out who is managing those words? And understand something about the marketing message that those social media managers are trying to handle through that social media account?
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
So what evidence do we have?No idea what evidence ed had but a quick google showed the IT issues started at end of march and are expected to continue into next week. This week trucks are now being waved through without paperwork to clear the backlog. If you want evidence that trucks have been getting delayed just watch the news
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We have the official account from the band that the delay was caused by Brexit. Not some random tweet, but the official line.
Why should we believe that, eh?
Well, perhaps we should believe it because there was a massive Brexit-IT fuck up right at the time that the band says their lorry was detained, which caused significant delays.
But hey, it's silly to think they might be telling the truth/not just be being really thick.
The silliness of this conversation for me is the absolutely staggering nativity of the idea that a band’s Twitter feed represents anything other than carefully stage-managed marketing messages, carefully calibrated towards ensuring the ongoing good reputation of the band. The idea that they would employ a team of experts to manage a tour but then just leave the Twitter to whoever of those same people fancies banging out a few words
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Starry Wisdom
they might be telling the truth. but you're not, being as they're blaming the legislation and you're not. and you're silent on the ferry issue
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
We're just sheeple, Kabbes. Thicky remoaner sheeple.
Oh come on. That really is the last refuge of somebody with nothing to say
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
You have had something to say??? Just waffle from what I've read.
What I had to say is in post 1613. There is every reason to think that the band's delay was Brexit-related.
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Starry Wisdom
yeh the absence of boats to carry them over to france in a timely fashion had nothing to do with it
souljacker
innit
Wasn't the P & O debacle an offshoot of Brexit though? I'm sure I read somewhere that the dutch P&O staff weren't laid off in a similar way because you can't do that in the EU.
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