Brexit - impact on musicians, touring and the music/events industry

[Pickman's model]

We're not talking about holidays, for fuck's sake.

I suspect most bands like yours consist of people who aren't full time musicians and have day jobs, and if they go on tour I don't suppose they do anything else but book annual leave for the dates of their tours. Or holiday as it's otherwise known

 

[Supine]

So what we’re saying is that it isn’t actually necessary for a country to be in political Union with the EU for that country to reach a sensible agreement with the EU about performers’ working rights?

Well I never

Yes obviously, but tory brexit wanted to separate the uk from eu in lots of things that could have been mutually beneficial without political union. The eu were up for arranging a musician visa arrangement if i remember correctly. The tories didn’t want that because they were pandering to the no foreigners brexiteers.

The way things have turned out isn’t down to all brexit voters. It is down to the tories who implemented it.

 

[kabbes]

Yes obviously, but tory brexit wanted to separate the uk from eu in lots of things that could have been mutually beneficial without political union. The eu were up for arranging a musician visa arrangement if i remember correctly. The tories didn’t want that because they were pandering to the no foreigners brexiteers.

The way things have turned out isn’t down to all brexit voters. It is down to the tories who implemented it.

Bingo

 

[editor]

I suspect most bands like yours consist of people who aren't full time musicians and have day jobs, and if they go on tour I don't suppose they do anything else but book annual leave for the dates of their tours. Or holiday as it's otherwise known

Some do, some don't. I can't speak for other musicians but I've never taken holiday leave for any tour I've ever done.

But what's this got to do with small bands struggling to tour Europe because of Brexit?

 

[littlebabyjesus]

So what we’re saying is that it isn’t actually necessary for a country to be in political Union with the EU for that country to reach a sensible agreement with the EU about performers’ working rights?

Well I never

Such deals inevitably take time to thrash out. Usually they're years in the making.

This was of course not an inevitability at the start, but the end of the initial phase of the Brexit process culminated in the election of a populist r/w government intent on enacting whatever Brexit they could so long as it was done swiftly. And this is the resultant fuck-up. A move from no problem at all to all kinds of totally avoidable problems.

 

[Pickman's model]

But what's this got to do with small bands struggling to tour Europe because of Brexit?

Yeh it's like I'd derailed the thread to start a tangent about touring musicals

 

[kabbes]

Such deals inevitably take time to thrash out. Usually they're years in the making.

This was of course not an inevitability at the start, but the end of the initial phase of the Brexit process culminated in the election of a populist r/w government intent on enacting whatever Brexit they could so long as it was done swiftly. And this is the resultant fuck-up. A move from no problem at all to all kinds of totally avoidable problems.

Then the problem is with whatever has got us to the point whereby the country is willing and able to vote for a right wing populist government. There’s certainly nothing inherently wrong with not wanting to be in a political union with a bunch of 20-odd other countries with no idea of where it’s headed next.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Then the problem is with whatever has got us to the point whereby the country is willing and able to vote for a right wing populist government.

Get Brexit Done

 

[kabbes]

Get Brexit Done

Were the Tories some kind of mystery unknown to people? Are they all lovely except for Brexit? Was that kept hidden?

The fact that people want to vote for Tories is the part that concerns me about all this

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Your post makes about as much sense as those of Pickman's model.

I'm quoting at you their main election campaign slogan. The one that helped get them elected.

 

[kabbes]

Your post makes about as much sense as those of Pickman's model.

That’s a bit much

I'm quoting at you their main election campaign slogan. The one that helped get them elected.

And I’m saying that all the liberals are wound up at the wrong target, which is a major reason they are losing battle after battle. Their cause and effect is all mixed up.

 

[editor]

Yeh it's like I'd derailed the thread to start a tangent about touring musicals

Perhaps in all the off topic crap and petty point scoring, you've forgotten what the title of the thread is: "Brexit - impact on musicians, touring and the music/events industry."

Musicals use musicians and they, err, tour. And they've been negatively impacted by Brexit.

 

[Pickman's model]

Perhaps in all the off topic crap and petty point scoring, you've forgotten what the title of the thread is: "Brexit - impact on musicians, touring and the music/events industry."

Musicals use musicians and they, err, tour. And they've been negatively impacted by Brexit.

what a wonderful euphemism negatively impacted is.

 

[Lucy Fur]

Perhaps in all the off topic crap and petty point scoring, you've forgotten what the title of the thread is: "Brexit - impact on musicians, touring and the music/events industry."

Musicals use musicians and they, err, tour. And they've been negatively impacted by Brexit.

So perhaps it's time to either lock this thread and try again as the OP was a superb idea, or just ban those intent on dragging it into the mire

 

[TopCat]

Easter travel disruption to hit air, rail, road and sea in UK

Dozens of flights cancelled and ferry firms struggling to meet demand in run-up to bank holiday weekend

www.theguardian.com

 

[Supine]

Even David Frost thinks brexiteers got it wrong when it came to musicians.

David Frost admits his Brexit deal failed touring musicians hit by red tape

‘We have been too purist on this’, concedes minister who rejected EU offer – breaking promise to rescue visa free tours

www.independent.co.uk

 

[ska invita]

Easter travel disruption to hit air, rail, road and sea in UK

Dozens of flights cancelled and ferry firms struggling to meet demand in run-up to bank holiday weekend

www.theguardian.com

perfect storm - includes new Brexit specific customs IT system which isnt working

Customs IT meltdown adds to long delays at Channel crossings

Chaos as outage of key HMRC system combines with P&O Ferries problems and surge in tourist traffic

www.theguardian.com

 

[TopCat]

perfect storm - includes new Brexit specific customs IT system which isnt working

Customs IT meltdown adds to long delays at Channel crossings

Chaos as outage of key HMRC system combines with P&O Ferries problems and surge in tourist traffic

www.theguardian.com

That Cameron did no planning for the possible leave vote still goes down in my view as one of the great failures of government.

 

[philosophical]

What plan did you hope Cameron would come up with for the land border between the UK and the EU?
You have stated you would vote leave again, I assume you yourself have a thought through workable plan for that land border, or do you simply avoid the situation with a wave of the hand and recalibrate the problem by diverting and digging at those like me who raise the issue.
Additional problems for musicians, such as they are since the leave vote, are down to you and all others who voted leave. Own it, sort it.

 

[TopCat]

What plan did you hope Cameron would come up with for the land border between the UK and the EU?
You have stated you would vote leave again, I assume you yourself have a thought through workable plan for that land border, or do you simply avoid the situation with a wave of the hand and recalibrate the problem by diverting and digging at those like me who raise the issue.
Additional problems for musicians, such as they are since the leave vote, are down to you and all others who voted leave. Own it, sort it.

United Ireland. Let the people of that Island decide if they want to be in the EU.

 

[philosophical]

If that is your workable plan then make it work.
Nothing is happening with regard to a United Ireland, but there has been a creeping increase in incidents and conflict due to the vote to leave, not least because of antagonism regarding the border in the Irish Sea.
By voting leave, you voted for the consequences like the sea border knowingly or unknowingly, so outline your next steps that move the situation from the sea border to a United Ireland.
To me those who vaguely justify the damage their leave vote has caused by blithely declaring a ‘United Ireland’ scenario, are using the ‘let them eat cake’ manoeuvre. In other words they offer nothing constructive, but leave us to contemplate the destruction they have ushered in.

 

[TopCat]

If that is your workable plan then make it work.
Nothing is happening with regard to a United Ireland, but there has been a creeping increase in incidents and conflict due to the vote to leave, not least because of antagonism regarding the border in the Irish Sea.
By voting leave, you voted for the consequences like the sea border knowingly or unknowingly, so outline your next steps that move the situation from the sea border to a United Ireland.
To me those who vaguely justify the damage their leave vote has caused by blithely declaring a ‘United Ireland’ scenario, are using the ‘let them eat cake’ manoeuvre. In other words they offer nothing constructive, but leave us to contemplate the destruction they have ushered in.

Your talking shit, again. Sinn Fein are in the majority both north and south now as will be shown the forthcoming Stormont elections. They have been blatantly pitching a United Ireland as a solution to the border issues.

 

[Pickman's model]

Your talking shit, again. Sinn Fein are in the majority both north and south now as will be shown the forthcoming Stormont elections. They have been blatantly pitching a United Ireland as a solution to the border issues.

Yeh but I wish I could trust them to deliver a democratic socialist republic or a republic which meets the 1916 proclamation and the 1921 democratic programme or the 1867 proclamation. I lost a lot of trust in and sympathy with SF when Adams went to Davos, and with what happened over the Cahill and adams' brother abuse cases

 

[editor]

OK, I'm closing this thread because no one's interested in talking about the impact of Brexit on MUSICIANS, TOURING AND THE MUSIC/EVENTS INDUSTRY.

I'll start a new thread and anyone who starts banging on about Ireland, Chinese holidaymakers or any of the other totally off topic stuff will be booted off.

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