Brexit - impact on musicians, touring and the music/events industry

[Pickman's model]

If there was no one working in advertising or marketing, how would any of the arts loving public know what play or ballet was on at which theatre and when it was on or who was headlining at Glastonbury or The Albert Hall or in your local pub?

pub: there'd be a poster in the window, a sign on the wall, etc. just as you don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows, you don't need someone working in marketing to put up a notice in your local pub

 

[Espresso]

A listings page on the web?

The people who do that now are paid to do it. And they work in advertising and marketing.
And a website is made by a creative marketing person, who is also paid.

 

[editor]

A listings page on the web?

Which may well have employed advertising and/or marketing of some kind to ensure that you got to see it.

It's not all about jingles and multi-nationals, you know.

 

[Espresso]

pub: there'd be a poster in the window, a sign on the wall, etc. just as you don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows, you don't need someone working in marketing to put up a notice in your local pub

That's true enough.
The rest stands, mind.

 

[editor]

pub: there'd be a poster in the window, a sign on the wall, etc. just as you don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows, you don't need someone working in marketing to put up a notice in your local pub

I didn't realise that you had so much expertise in promoting gigs and bands.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I would love for the world to be set up differently. There is no need to praise corporate advertising/marketing for giving paid employment to artists of various kinds, because if they didn't exist, we would necessarily live in a different world with different possibilities. However, we live in this world, so this is a futile argument.

 

[Pickman's model]

Which may well have employed advertising and/or marketing of some kind to ensure that you got to see it.

It's not all about jingles and multi-nationals, you know.

just because someone does advertising or marketing doesn't mean they work in advertising or marketing. for many pubs, clubs etc it'll be but a part of someone's job.

 

[TopCat]

Which may well have employed advertising and/or marketing of some kind to ensure that you got to see it.

It's not all about jingles and multi-nationals, you know.

Mostly though it’s about selling people shit they don’t need.

 

[TopCat]

An industry that preys and feeds on the insecurities of women particularly.

 

[Pickman's model]

I didn't realise that you had so much expertise in promoting gigs and bands.

the list of things you know nothing about is long indeed. i've not perhaps the experience of putting on gigs you have. or selling photographs. or creating successful comics. but you're not the only person here who's been involved in putting on successful gigs.

 

[TopCat]

the list of things you know nothing about is long indeed. i've not perhaps the experience of putting on gigs you have. or selling photographs. or creating successful comics. but you're not the only person here who's been involved in putting on successful gigs.

It’s straightforward. Tell the bands they get a pint each. Pocket the fee. Next!

 

[kabbes]

Indefinite not short term. Covid19 restrictions are, sure. But the specific problems Brexit will cause, aren't being remedied yet. AFAIK admittedly. So as it stands surviving venues reopon with these issues still remaining.

Short term as in that the musicians go for short term work. That’s the thing we’re supposedly concentrating in here although I admit the conversation has wondered somewhat from this base...

 

[editor]

the list of things you know nothing about is long indeed. i've not perhaps the experience of putting on gigs you have. or selling photographs. or creating successful comics. but you're not the only person here who's been involved in putting on successful gigs.

There's quite a few promoters and band members here who have put on successful gigs Why not ask around and see how many think that all the promotion they need to do is to stick up a poster in the pub?

It’s straightforward. Tell the bands they get a pint each. Pocket the fee. Next!

Any promoter doing that wouldn't last five minutes.

 

[Pickman's model]

There's quite a few promoters and band members here who have put on successful gigs Why not ask around and see how many think that all the promotion they need to do is to stick up a poster in the pub?

Any promoter doing that wouldn't last five minutes.

literally no one on this thread has said that all the promotion they need to do is to stick up a poster in the pub

 

[editor]

literally no one on this thread has said that all the promotion they need to do is to stick up a poster in the pub

Oh I am sorry for getting that very impression from your earlier post. So you agree that "lowlife" advertising and marketing might be necessary as well?

 

[Pickman's model]

Oh I am sorry for getting that very impression from your earlier post. So you agree that "lowlife" advertising and marketing might be necessary as well?

could you point me to where i have used the word lowlife?

and perhaps you'd do better if you go back and read my posts again and then reconsider your question entirely.

 

[editor]

could you point me to where i have used the word lowlife?

Did I say I was quoting you? No, I was quoting TopCat as well you know. Could you answer my question now please? Thanks.

 

[Pickman's model]

Did I say I was quoting you? No, I was quoting TopCat as well you know. Could you answer my question now please? Thanks.

i'll do that once you do me the favour of answering my question from post 710.

 

[editor]

i'll do that once you do me the favour of answering my question from post 710.

A nit-picking point from two weeks ago? OK: No, I didn't have a source as I was going on the complete absence of visible buskers on the streets and MU advice. So not illegal but not encouraged, and I suspect buskers might still get harassed by cops.

Now answer my question please.

 

[Pickman's model]

No, I didn't have a source as I was going on the complete absence of visible buskers on the streets and MU advice.

Now answer my question please.

neither of those things suggested in any way that busking was illegal or even unlawful

perhaps you could drag your attention up the page to post 877

 

[editor]

neither of those things suggested in any way that busking was illegal or even unlawful

perhaps you could drag your attention up the page to post 877

No I'm not playing this childish game and being directed from post to post while you continue to wriggle out of answering a direct question.

If you're incapable of addressing the points you've just made, I'd be grateful if you stopped interacting with me completely please*.

*requested in personal capacity


PS: Busker spends four hours in police cell after 'Covid breach' arrest

Busking banned during lockdown - but musician argues he can't work from home

A BUSKER argued his case as police asked him to move on from his spot on Brighton seafront.

www.theargus.co.uk

Boos ring out as police shut down Leicester Square singalong

Loud boos could be heard after police shut down an impromptu singalong as a busker performed in Leicester Square.

www.standard.co.uk

Busker left with zero cash after being moved on by police officer

Michael Rochford, known as Rocky, is relying on money he makes from busking to support his family

www.gazettelive.co.uk

Busker fined for breaking lockdown rules by playing saxophone in city centre

Lorii-viorel Romenci claimed he didn't understand the regulations due to his limited English

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk

Busker Moved On By Police After 'Covid Breach'

A busker has been told to stay away from Market Harborough after concerns he was breaching Covid-19 restrictions. Police officers spoke to the man, who regularly plays a harmonica close to the entrance to Sainsbury's in St Mary’s Place, after being contacted by members of the public. It was th

harboroughfm.co.uk

 

[Pickman's model]

No I'm not playing this childish game and being directed from post to post while you continue to wriggle out of answering a direct question.

If you're incapable of addressing the points you've just made, I'd be grateful if you stopped interacting with me completely please*.

*requested in personal capacity


PS: Busker spends four hours in police cell after 'Covid breach' arrest

Busking banned during lockdown - but musician argues he can't work from home

A BUSKER argued his case as police asked him to move on from his spot on Brighton seafront.

www.theargus.co.uk

Boos ring out as police shut down Leicester Square singalong

Loud boos could be heard after police shut down an impromptu singalong as a busker performed in Leicester Square.

www.standard.co.uk

Busker left with zero cash after being moved on by police officer

Michael Rochford, known as Rocky, is relying on money he makes from busking to support his family

www.gazettelive.co.uk

Busker fined for breaking lockdown rules by playing saxophone in city centre

Lorii-viorel Romenci claimed he didn't understand the regulations due to his limited English

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk

given my post 877 there is no basis for your question. that there may need to be some promotion done does not mean calling in the dubious services of the 'lowlife' advertisers and marketers, when someone within the pub or club will do the necessary as part of their job. or a gig promoter as part of theirs. as for your links about police action about busking, they're not worth the pixels they're displayed on. when the mere action of the police is sufficient to demonstrate something is against the law come back and try again. i've shown you the musicians' union advice. the government line is the same. your manchester man wasn't convicted of busking btw.

 

[TopCat]

Did I say I was quoting you? No, I was quoting TopCat as well you know. Could you answer my question now please? Thanks.

Quack.

 

[AnnO'Neemus]

Excellently put.

High praise indeed from editor, thank you.

 

[josef1878 2.0]

I'd rather listen to that than his dangerous loon garbage about Covid.

He's always been a wind up merchant but when I saw that I couldn't read it

 

[editor]

He's always been a wind up merchant but when I saw that I couldn't read it

Oh he's bottled it and removed it now which makes it even worse.

 

[Raheem]

Oh he's bottled it and removed it now which makes it even worse.

Not necessarily if he follows up with some sort of "sorry, I'm a dick" post.

 

[editor]

Not necessarily if he follows up with some sort of "sorry, I'm a dick" post.

There's been no apology, just a load of cod-philosophy

We are as we are by nature and so we be.

The mind has no option but to make up its own, fiction or otherwise. If science was immutable there'd be no science. Is flat earthing de facto?

On the other hand, for all our human strengths and weaknesses, the symbiosis, being as is, remains unmoved and intact. Our differences merely compound our sameness, so where the battle?

https://twitter.com/pennyrimbaud1?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

 

[josef1878 2.0]

Oh he's bottled it and removed it now which makes it even worse.

I've seen it elsewhere the other day

 

[TopCat]

Penny is a twat and loon (agreed) therefore adverts are great and marketing essential industry underpinning great altruistic muso’s?