Brexit - impact on musicians, touring and the music/events industry

[ska invita]

it goes on to explain that the EU have put new regs on EU trucking firms as well that basically fuck all touring and roadshows down to the limited number of drops they can now make as well.

i didnt get that far (yet) - why the fuck did they do that?

 

[editor]

Making it all about you now, OK. Next step is a thread ban.

I'm arguing my viewpoint, just like you have been doing. There has been no suggestion of a thread ban.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Right, but that's not what's going to happen.

If touring the EU becomes harder due to brexit, that is exactly what is going to happen.

 

[pesh]

i didnt get that far (yet) - why the fuck did they do that?

for the lols i think

 

[mojo pixy]

If touring the EU becomes harder due to brexit, that is exactly what is going to happen.

Like the fact we can't be in the same place means we can't discuss together? Culture has passed beyond physical space now, I thought you would have noticed.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Like the fact we can't be in the same place means we can't discuss together? Culture has passed beyond physical space now, I thought you would have noticed.

Did I say that all opportunities for everything are ended? No. I said that opportunities are reduced, which they are. And yes, people are struggling on during covid trying to make the best of it with remote contacts etc, but the idea that we don't lose anything by losing actual physical contact is rubbish. And I think you probably know that.

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

This is just weird now.

 

[Pickman's model]

cheaper though, mind.
and more backstage
for the band

Is that a haiku?

E2A think you need a couple more syllables

 

[Pickman's model]

.

 

[mojo pixy]

Did I say that all opportunities for everything are ended? No. I said that opportunities are reduced, which they are. And yes, people are struggling on during covid trying to make the best of it with remote contacts etc, but the idea that we don't lose anything by losing actual physical contact is rubbish. And I think you probably know that.

NOBODY IS SAYING MUSICIANS CAN'T TRAVEL TO EUROPE TO PLAY ANY MORE

ok.

 

[klang]

Is that a haiku?

E2A think you need a couple more syllables

it's real visceralism in its purest form

 

[klang]

NOBODY IS SAYING MUSICIANS CAN'T TRAVEL TO EUROPE TO PLAY ANY MORE

my bank manager certainly does

 

[mojo pixy]

my bank manager certainly does

Mine too. fuck bank managers and fuck banks.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

NOBODY IS SAYING MUSICIANS CAN'T TRAVEL TO EUROPE TO PLAY ANY MORE

ok.

wtf is wrong with you? If you add extra expenses, you reduce opportunities because you exclude those for whom doing it was alreadly only marginally affordable.

So no, not ok, Mr Shouty.

 

[mojo pixy]

Well if you would stop throwing up straw men, I wouldn't have to huff and puff.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Well if you would stop throwing up straw men, I wouldn't have to huff and puff.

'opportunities are reduced'.

That isn't a strawman.

 

[mojo pixy]

'opportunities are reduced'.

That isn't a strawman.

again, for posterity.

 

[killer b]

again, for posterity.

do you imagine people are going to go back and edit their posts when you magically prove them wrong or something?

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

again, for posterity.

There aren’t enough facepalms in the world.

 

[Pickman's model]

my bank manager certainly does

Astonished your bank still has bank managers

 

[littlebabyjesus]

again, for posterity.

Um. ok. In time, either something will be sorted to remove the extra expenses so opportunites won't be reduced, or it won't and they will. Either way, I won't be coming back to revise anything.

Backing away now...

 

[mojo pixy]

do you imagine people are going to go back and edit their posts when you magically prove them wrong or something?

No. I just wanted to mark the point where the cognitive dissonance kicked in.

There aren’t enough facepalms in the world.

You still haven't topped the OP. More content, less snark.

 

[killer b]

I just wanted to mark the point where the cognitive dissonance kicked in.

what does this mean?

 

[kabbes]

This thread makes me want to do in a music tour.

it’s also made me look up this whole back line thing — it never crossed my mind that a venue providing the PA would not also provide the on-stage monitors etc. Would it not be a pain in the arse for them to be changing those up between every performer?

One thing I have to take issue with is the suggestion everybody takes up playing music themselves. I don’t want people to play their own music, I want them to listen to me playing mine. I don’t do all this practice on technique just so that nobody listens admiringly, you know.

 

[mojo pixy]

what does this mean?

I do not believe that Brexit will lead to fewer opportunities for musicians who want to play music, to play music.

I accept that some bands' income may be affected for a while and they may have to consider new ways to monetize their music, new ways and places to play shows. I disagree that this is in itself a bad thing.

I accept that some highly-skilled professional musicians (eg. classical) may find themselves badly affected because they have to play live to get paid and they have to do so in Europe. I accept that events and logistics firms are going to have a lot of extra work to do and some may be out of business. I have already said this is horrible and I'm sorry.

I sympathize with everyone badly affected by Brexit whether they voted for it or not (I voted Remain ftr)

littlebabyjesus ' post is self-contradictory, in my view, and exemplifies the, yes, hysteria about Brexit among a certain shade of Remainer. The other most vitriolic posters on this thread are of a similar shade and nothing so far has surprised me.

 

[killer b]

I do not believe that Brexit will lead to fewer opportunities for musicians who want to play music, to play music.

I accept that some bands' income may be affected for a while and they may have to consider new ways to monetize their music, new ways and places to play shows. I disagree that this is in itself a bad thing.

I accept that some highly-skilled professional musicians may find themselves badly affected because they have to play live to get paid and they have to do so in Europe. I accept that events and logistics firms are going to have a lot of extra work to do and some may be out of business. I have already said this is horrible and I'm sorry.

I sympathize with everyone badly affected by Brexit whether they voted for it or not (I voted Remain ftr)

littlebabyjesus ' post is self-contradictory, in my view, and exemplifies the, yes, hysteria about Brexit among a certain shade of Remainer. The other most vitriolic posters on this thread are of a similar shade and nothing so far has surprised me.

where does the cognitive dissonance come in?

 

[klang]

This thread makes me want to do in a music tour.

it’s also made me look up this whole back line thing — it never crossed my mind that a venue providing the PA would not also provide the on-stage monitors etc. Would it not be a pain in the arse for them to be changing those up between every performer?

One thing I have to take issue with is the suggestion everybody takes up playing music themselves. I don’t want people to play their own music, I want them to listen to me playing mine. I don’t do all this practice on technique just so that nobody listens admiringly, you know.

go on, post a recording then.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I really am going to try to leave this, but it is hysteria to point out that making touring the EU harder reduces opportunities?

 

[editor]

it’s also made me look up this whole back line thing — it never crossed my mind that a venue providing the PA would not also provide the on-stage monitors etc. Would it not be a pain in the arse for them to be changing those up between every performer?

The venue almost always provides the onstage monitors.

 

[mojo pixy]

where does the cognitive dissonance come in?

The idea that 'opportunities are reduced' is not a straw man argument. It absolutely is.