BREXIT Crunch time (part 38) WTF is going to happen next?

[kabbes]

What exactly is it that the DUP want? Other than the fun of saying NO as often as possible? They wanted Brexit but they don’t want any of the versions anybody has suggested, including no deal. I’m genuinely bemused.

 

[chilango]

Mildly interesting to compare how the DUP have used their time propping up the Tories and what they've got out of it versus the Lib Dem's stint...

 

[Balbi]

I suppose she will go for MV4, if Bercow allows it, but assuming that fails, what are we left with? No deal, revoke A50 or ask for a long extension with a suitable plan attached (election or referendum).

I cannot see any likelihood she will revoke A50 and I just don’t think they will ride over the cliff edge of hard Brexit, so I guess we are looking at May addressing the nation to say she has been unable to deliver Brexit due to the current parliament not supporting it, and therefore she resigns and calls an election to allow her successor to come back with a new approach.

Whether the EU accept this and grant an extension or play hard ball and force A50 to be revoked will be interesting.

May has to get a two thirds majority to call an election aye - pro-Brexit MPs won't have that. Suppose she could no confidence herself, which would be amazing.

 

[redsquirrel]

If their tactic is to deliver a particular outcome. But their main tactic is to appeal to a constituency.

That makes sense for the LDs and tinge but not for others

Only the public can finally end the Brexit mania, but the choice put to voters must be fair. If the choice is only a “soft” customs union or remain, there would be a mighty stink from the leavers. Theresa May’s deal may not be hard enough for them, but it’s certainly not soft: the ballot paper choice must be her deal or remain.

What the actions of the tinge and Toynbee's nonsense does show is that she and the people's vote are even bit as ideological as the ERG. Not that there is anything wrong with that, but their pretence to be beyond "all that" is shit.

 

[danny la rouge]

That makes sense for the LDs and tinge but not for others

Yes, I was referring to Tinge mainly.

 

[Plumdaff]

What exactly is it that the DUP want? Other than the fun of saying NO as often as possible? They wanted Brexit but they don’t want any of the versions anybody has suggested, including no deal. I’m genuinely bemused.

A hard Brexit with the Union only a soft Brexit can provide. They'd prefer to have it imposed on them too, so they can sell a betrayed again narrative back home.

The more I think about it, the more stupid the PVers seem. This was your best chance you fucking idiots.

 

[Balbi]

People's Vote are all utterly convinced they'd win a second vote which is deadly as fuck tbh.

 

[redsquirrel]

People's Vote are all utterly convinced they'd win a second vote which is deadly as fuck tbh.

TBH I don't think that's such a stupid idea once you put up a specific deal vs remain, the odds start to go in their favour. What's fucking stupid is how they expect to get a 2nd vote now.

 

[andysays]

That makes sense for the LDs and tinge but not for others What the actions of the tinge and Toynbee's nonsense does show is that she and the people's vote are even bit as ideological as the ERG. Not that there is anything wrong with that, but their pretence to be beyond "all that" is shit.

Yeah, looks like only Remain, with absolutely no compromise, is enough for some, but in failing to compromise I suspect they're making No Deal the most likely result.

 

[Balbi]

TBH I don't think that's such a stupid idea once you put up a specific deal vs remain, the odds start to go in their favour. What's fucking stupid is how they expect to get a 2nd vote now.

Or at any point tbh. And get to determine the question with a precision which implies their victory. Way too much fart sniffing.

 

[Dogsauce]

Which LD didn’t vote for a referendum? Is one of them on the sickbed?

 

[redsquirrel]

Which LD didn’t vote for a referendum? Is one of them on the sickbed?

Stephen Lloyd, resigned the whip.

 

[killer b]

Lloyd is usually listed as an independent now, must be someone else

 

[redsquirrel]

Lloyd is usually listed as an independent now, must be someone else

On the graphic Winot posted he's listed as IND(LD).

EDIT: The Guardian has all the LDs down as voting for the referendum.

 

[killer b]

There's a single LD abstention on that final graphic someone posted upthread, but it's the one for extend/revoke rather than 2nd ref. That was Norman Lamb.

 

[redsquirrel]

There's a single LD abstention on that final graphic someone posted upthread, but it's the one for extend/revoke rather than 2nd ref. That was Norman Lamb.

One abstention on the 2nd ref too (which must mean Lloyd). Unless I'm being dense?

 

[danny la rouge]

One abstention on the 2nd ref too (which must mean Lloyd). Unless I'm being dense?

It’s a slightly paler orange, so yes, Lloyd.

 

[Pickman's model]

Yes, I was referring to Tinge mainly.

read that as 'the tinge malady'

 

[danny la rouge]

read that as 'the tinge malady'

If only we could find a vaccine.

 

[Dogsauce]

Society will successfully inoculate itself at the next election, fear not.

 

[danny la rouge]

Society will successfully inoculate itself at the next election, fear not.

It’s the politicians who need to be inoculated. With lead.

 

[Sprocket.]

((((Lead))))

 

[Pickman's model]

It’s the politicians who need to be inoculated. With lead.

gunpowder would do, a traditional remedy

 

[danny la rouge]

gunpowder would do, a traditional remedy

Well, the building could be used for something else. So that would be wasteful.

Dung market is apt.

 

[Sprocket.]

gunpowder would do, a traditional remedy

Modernised by the addition of mercury tilt switches?

 

[Pickman's model]

Well, the building could be used for something else. So that would be wasteful.

Dung market is apt.

if the commons and lords move out of the palace of westminster while the building is modernised then we could have several years to prepare for fireworks at the re-opening ceremony

 

[Pickman's model]

Modernised by the addition of mercury tilt switches?

why not?

 

[SpackleFrog]

Has calling them the 'tinge' run its course?

I'm still calling them the #LunaticTinge

 

[SpackleFrog]

What exactly is it that the DUP want? Other than the fun of saying NO as often as possible?

Their place in Heaven at Paisley's right hand guaranteed. Which of course it already is, through virtue of them saying no to everything. So that's it really

 

[kebabking]

why not?

Needless expense?