BrewDog: yet another hip company using 'rebel' language to sell its stuff

[chilango]

...and if you're not sure. Here's a picture of my growler. I'm sure you can spot the difference.

 

[8ball]

dessiato posted it up thread.

Oh, I'm having trouble pulling it out of his posts, just wanted a look.
dessiato - could I have the post number?

 

[xenon]

that's not how I remember it at all.

It has been a quiet afternoon, I just read through it again. It is how Spymaster described.

 

[Poot]

I didn’t know that was a sexist term until this thread. I suppose the Northern version would be Slapper, although many women refer to each other as such. I don’t agree with sexism as a marketing device. Reclaimed words or not, you can’t deny that Loose Women are employing the same tactic. What makes it ‘acceptable’ on here is that the show is seen as empowering to women.

Words when spoken by different people mean a different thing.

But you know that, you're just on the wind up. Again.

 

[Puddy_Tat]

These things are not always going to be easy to unpick, but I reckon if you listen to people and are prepared to back down when you fuck up you can usually find a way through without too much trouble. I think maybe if you feel something goes too far or is difficult to understand there's probably ways of opening up discussion into it that don't make you look like some twitter edgelord too.

well, yes. there are ways of dealing with it.

option a - tell women / people from whichever minority group they are wrong and that as a man / white person / straight person (or any combination thereof) that your opinion on what constitutes misogyny / racism / sexism is more valid than theirs

option b - listen to what women / people from whichever minority group are saying, think about it, and be a bit more careful about using particular term/s again

doesn't seem that complicated a choice from where i'm sitting...

 

[xenon]

I’m surprised loose women is still on the air. I saw it about 20 years ago. It was shite.

 

[killer b]

well, yes. there are ways of dealing with it.

option a - tell women / people from whichever minority group they are wrong and that as a man / white person / straight person (or any combination thereof) that your opinion on what constitutes misogyny / racism / sexism is more valid than theirs

option b - listen to what women / people from whichever minority group are saying, think about it, and be a bit more careful about using particular term/s again

doesn't seem that complicated a choice from where i'm sitting...

I think this is a bit too simplistic & binary an approach too though tbf.

 

[Puddy_Tat]

I think this is a bit too simplistic & binary an approach too though tbf.

well yes, as with most things, there are shades of grey, but there are a people whose tendency is towards option a with a side order of insults. (and i don't just mean on this thread)

 

[Magnus McGinty]

Words when spoken by different people mean a different thing.

But you know that, you're just on the wind up. Again.

I don’t see much difference. Dog whistles to edginess but with enough of a double meaning to obscure that.

 

[8ball]

I’m surprised loose women is still on the air. I saw it about 20 years ago. It was shite.

I think it started around the time of that Spice Girls / 'Girl Power' phase.
Was never meant to be feminism as such, just daytime telly.

 

[Dystopiary]

Fair enough. Welcome etc

But you don't make me feel welcome. Unless I keep quiet about offensive shit.

 

[co-op]

I think it started around the time of that Spice Girls / 'Girl Power' phase.
Was never meant to be feminism as such, just daytime telly.

Surely "Loose Women" is both ironic - ie it is slang for sexually autonomous women - boo hiss etc, yet these 'loose women' are just talking, but also reclamatory - ie that it is saying yes so what if we're loose?

It also makes a point somewhere that women talking confidently in public were often (still are?) stigmatised as sexually promiscuous in order to try and shut them up via shame. So although it's using innuendo/sexual allusion I don't see active sexism there - I mean pity the actual prog was actually pretty bland but the naming is not sexist imo, if anything the reverse, it's undermining gender stereotypical language that was used to control women.

I don't see how any of this is the case with a beer aimed at men using words like Growler.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

But you don't make me feel welcome. Unless I keep quiet about offensive shit.

I don’t expect you to be quiet at all.

 

[ddraig]

Trolls bolstered again, sigh!

 

[8ball]

Surely "Loose Women" is both ironic - ie it is slang for sexually autonomous women - boo hiss etc, yet these 'loose women' are just talking, but also reclamatory - ie that it is saying yes so what if we're loose?

Yes, that's what I took to be the thinking.

I don't know who you are addressing with the rest of your post - have you got posters mixed up?

 

[Magnus McGinty]

Surely "Loose Women" is both ironic - ie it is slang for sexually autonomous women - boo hiss etc, yet these 'loose women' are just talking, but also reclamatory - ie that it is saying yes so what if we're loose?

It also makes a point somewhere that women talking confidently in public were often (still are?) stigmatised as sexually promiscuous in order to try and shut them up via shame. So although it's using innuendo/sexual allusion I don't see active sexism there - I mean pity the actual prog was actually pretty bland but the naming is not sexist imo, if anything the reverse, it's undermining gender stereotypical language that was used to control women.

Yes but the producers aren’t unaware of the connotations so the strategy is the same.

 

[chilango]

Oh, I'm having trouble pulling it out of his posts, just wanted a look.
dessiato - could I have the post number?

Hang on....are saying you've been busy posting without knowing what you're talking about?

 

[editor]

its actually funnier than this thread!

So it is still a big laugh for you after all.

 

[8ball]

Hang on....are saying you've been busy posting without knowing what you're talking about?

There were a few things posted - just wanted to make sure I'm looking at the right one.
When dess gets back you'll be able to take a look too.

 

[chilango]

There were a few things posted - just wanted to make sure I'm looking at the right one.
When dess gets back you'll be able to take a look too.

I already know what I'm talking about. It's ok.

 

[ddraig]

Fuck off and grow the fuck up 8ball
Of course you'll react with a pathetic smiley again...

 

[8ball]

I already know what I'm talking about. It's ok.

There, there.

 

[killer b]

Fuck off and grow the fuck up 8ball
Of course you'll react with a pathetic smiley again...

honestly, put the weirdo on ignore.

 

[8ball]

Fuck off and grow the fuck up 8ball
Of course you'll react with a pathetic smiley again...

That's not a pathetic smiley, that's a "love smiley".

 

[Edie]

This thread is now just weird. I’d step away equationgirl theres nothing more that needs to be said.

 

[equationgirl]

This thread is now just weird. I’d step away equationgirl theres nothing more that needs to be said.

I think you have a point, Edie.

Also it's the same few posters being disruptive time and again, wrecking discussions, I wish they would stop trolling.

 

[ddraig]

honestly, put the weirdo on ignore.

I have, a while ago, they still beg for attention

 

[Orang Utan]

I think you have a point, Edie.

Also it's the same few posters being disruptive time and again, wrecking discussions, I wish they would stop trolling.

they won't and for some reason we have to put up with it

 

[8ball]

they won't and for some reason we have to put up with it

Oh, look!
The gang’s all back together.

 

[Orang Utan]

Oh, look!
The gang’s all back together.

say something interesting for once