Royalty and the super rich create their own. Presumably their own money doesn't end up there. or not all of it.
BrewDog: yet another hip company using 'rebel' language to sell its stuff
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hiraethified
I don't. And not all Brixton companies who raise money for charities do it for the reflected glory either. It's a despicable business in my eyes.
ElizabethofYork
Old Crone
Perhaps I should have said "big companies".
equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
I would love to, but it's a bit hard when you post only a few words like 'a liberal dilemma'. What's the dilemma?
I'm not being condescending, it's hard to engage when you post snippets.
that's why people/companies make such a big thing about it when they do it.
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
Anyway, on the thread topic, have we discusse/ fought about this yet:
BrewDog team up with Rizzlekicks' Jordan Stephens to launch SAD AF | Scotsman Food and Drink
Rizzle Kicks’ Jordan Stephens, co-founder of mental health campaign #IAMWHOLE, has called on men to talk to friends and family about depression this January ...foodanddrink.scotsman.com
I don't know how I feel about this, on the one hand good that it's raising money for charity (although I am dubious of how much) and raising awareness of mental health, on the over I feel like it's poking fun at anyone with a mental illness by calling them sad in a derogatory way.
ETA: and the campaign is aimed at encouraging men only.
I'm pretty ambivalent about this. I mean, yeah, normalising men talking about this stuff is a good thing and raising a bit of cash for the campaign a bonus...
...but ime the best thing companies can do for the mental health of their employees is to improve working conditions.
This is one to watch: BBC One - Disclosure, Series 4, The Truth about BrewDog
co-op
But....but cLoWnFiSh....
Yes sorry, I quoted you instead of Magnus McGinty
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hiraethified
Indeed. It's all a bit rich coming from Brewdog with their well documented 'toxic' workplace conditions and refusal to allow unions to help their workers.
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hiraethified
Looks like it's going to be everything some of us expected too, but I doubt if it will bother the shareholders and fanboys here:
equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
Problems behind them my arse. If they were, they would have made sure all the growler embossed flagons were not made available to be given away. Just for starters.
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
This times infinity.
The wellbeing agenda is pretty dodgy. My employer took mental health out of the responsibility of OHS (where unions still have a relatively strong presence) and put it under the control of HR.
So we have gone from a situation where mental health was considered at a collective level and in respect to working conditions to one where it is an individuals responsibility to ensure their wellbeing. So no more consideration about excessive workloads now it is about knitting/colouring/calm rooms
Fuck that shite!
ElizabethofYork
Old Crone
Similar at my workplace. The ridiculous workloads are still there, but we can now do a meditation at lunchtime. So that's okay.
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hiraethified
Here's the request for a union which Brewdog ignored.
www.megaphone.org.uk
Brewdog Workers Deserve Collective Recognition
In order to ensure the sustainable change needed across Brewdog, workers deserve a collective voice through their union.
www.megaphone.org.uk
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
It’s not a wellbeing agenda, it’s a marketing campaign.
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
1 reply, 2 retweets and 12 likes, and 12 likes. not the tweets i'd have chosen to illustrate the claim 'looks like a load of other people are seeing through brewdog's bullshit'.
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hiraethified
When the comments are coming from unions, I tend to pay attention rather than looking at how many likes an individual tweet has got.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
a union. not unions. unless you mean punks with purpose is a union too.
and there are few metrics by which to see if a tweet is reaching people - likes, replies and retweets may be crude but are pretty much all we have
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hiraethified
What's the matter with you today?
I posted up tweets from the Brewery Workers Union and Unite Hospitality.
Two different unions.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
what's the matter with you, you gone daft or something? the unite tweet isn't in your post 'Looks like a load of other people are seeing through Brewdog's bullshit' note: a lot of OTHER people. that is, not the people you've already mentioned. why are you trying to crowbar a tweet from one post into another?
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Indeed. The notion that a 2 billion pound multinational is comparable to a handful of tinpot Brixton outfits is laughable.
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hiraethified
I'm sorry you suddenly seem unable to comprehend how an ongoing discussion on a forum works, even when the posts are right next to each other.
I'm out.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Also tax sometimes.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
the edit for the best really
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
there's another edit, a lovely passive aggressive line there. edit 3 i think? yes. the posts are right next to each other. the one post with a tweet from unite, the next saying loads of other people are getting on the bandwagon. and that's the one i replied to. i do not know why when i have responded specifically to what you said in the second post you want to crowbar the first post in too. but don't tell me, i don't really want to know.
equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
Also, it's easy for a company to partner with a mental health charity or initiative, put out a few press releases and maybe an ad campaign.
Making real culture change by looking at workload distribution, working hours, hiring sufficient people, ensuring there's an actual zero tolerance on bullying, sexism, racism, misogyny, anti LGBTQ+ behaviours, ageism - all of that is hard to do. It takes effort and time.
Making real culture change by looking at workload distribution, working hours, hiring sufficient people, ensuring there's an actual zero tolerance on bullying, sexism, racism, misogyny, anti LGBTQ+ behaviours, ageism - all of that is hard to do. It takes effort and time.
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hiraethified
I get sent loads of press releases from swishy, expensive PR companies bigging up relatively tiny charitable donations from major companies with some Brixton connection. It's pathetic.
Peter Painter
Well-Known Member
I've been thinking about this some more. I still think that both are important but on reflection I think that you're right to place more emphasis upon how something is received than upon how it is intended.
However, I still think that intention is crucial in establishing the context. I would disagree with anybody who argues that intention is wholly irrelevant. I think that that mode of thought contains within it the seeds of a new fascism.
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