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BrewDog: yet another hip company using 'rebel' language to sell its stuff
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ElizabethofYork
Old Crone
Thank you.
It's a shame that you think that anyone who disagrees with the majority is a troll, a dick, unpleasant, crap and rubbish.
I've just given my opinions.
Shame you seem unable to discuss them and prefer to hurl insults.
Have a good day.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
It’s true that my posts have always required a higher level of intelligence on the part of the reader than most. I’ve tried making them “adequate” as per your demands, but it was taking too long to draw the pictures.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
his logic doesn't reach the level of fraggle rockAs you're using the logic of Fraggle Rock, I'll wear your criticism like a crown
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
AverageJoe
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Just order your Brewdog from Amazon and be done with it.
ATOMIC SUPLEX
Member Since: 1985 Post Count: 3
Personally Brewdog would be off the table for me. . . as would becks blue because it's horrible.
I don't love drinking non alcoholic beer more than I hate giving my money to cunts.
It's a relatively easy toss up/equation you can apply to most things.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
A slightly more principled stand than others on this thread but where do you draw the line as to what cunts you are prepared to give your money to?
Would you for example, be happy to support Amazon's dangerous workplace practices by giving your money to them, whilst feeling that Brewdog's appropriation of "punk" is beyond the pale?
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
When I ordered a book online the other day, I thought, no I'll not use Amazon this time, I'll use Blackwell's instead. But then I looked them up and Amazon actually pay people more money than Blackwell's, who appear to be a shit employer. And I can testify after working at Books Etc and Borders in the past that they were also appalling employers. Most booksellers are.Pretty much all of those pretending to be outraged at BD on this thread have mentioned elsewhere that they are Amazon customers.
‘I'm not a robot’: Amazon workers condemn unsafe, grueling conditions at warehouse
Employees under pressure to work faster call on retail giant to improve conditions – and take their complaints seriouslywww.theguardian.com
31 Amazon Employees Share Their Working Conditions As A Response To Jeff Bezos’ Wealth Continuously Growing
Jeff Bezos is the richest person on the planet. As of 2020, the Amazon owner is worth approximately 175 billion USD. However, not all of the 798,000 people at the company enjoy hearing about his success.www.boredpanda.com
But they do good weighted blankets and Prime Video is pretty good, so that's ok!
So what do you do? It's all very well saying 'go to an independent shop and pay full price', but there aren't any near me (and they may very well also be shit employers).
You can apply this logic to just about any product. That's the problem with the 'blame the consumer' approach.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
You have to remember that you are far more intelligent than the primary actors on this thread (myself excluded, of course) who aren't thinking the same way at all, and will forgive genocide and lethal workplace practices as quickly as you can say "weighted blanket" or "nice cameraphone".
ATOMIC SUPLEX
Member Since: 1985 Post Count: 3
Case by case basis, how much do I need or want something against how much of a cunt (or not) the provider is. It's very very easy.
. . . and why are you comically playing down brew dogs 'crimes' to "the appropriation of the word punk"? You obviously can't be dumb enough to think that's the even remotely the issue people have with them on this thread? If you have to wilfully misrepresent the reasons for other peoples stance on this issue then you clearly don't have a solid argument.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
I can't agree it's "very very easy" especially if you are trying to compare one company that's attracted a lot of attention and you happen to have read up on, with another that you know nothing about but have a reasonable suspicion that with enough digging you'd find engaged in some similarly objectionable practices.
I case you missed it more appalling stuff from the brewdog boss is back online: Conspiracy Weary — BrewDog CEO Files Fraud Lawsuit Against Woman He Paid for Information — Good Beer Hunting
Spot on, for reminding this thread exactly! what an utter troll's definition of a troll is!
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
it's sheer laziness. you can order books and ask them to be posted on to you - it's not a big ask in this day and age.
Kinnell! As complicated conspiracies and associated thories go, that's pretty damned involved!
I couldn't even read the entire of that article .... will attempt to again later, though!
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ATOMIC SUPLEX
Member Since: 1985 Post Count: 3
It's extremely easy. I'm not judging it against another company, I'm judging it against my need/want for it based on what I know.
It was you who was judging one product against another.
I won't buy brew dog because they are arseholes. Easy. Becks? I have no idea, but I also won't buy their product because it's horrible. I don't need to have non alcoholic beer so bad that I will drink a shit one or one made by a shit company.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
I think we can agree it's easy if it's not something you really want in the first place. That's not the scenario presented in my initial question though.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Wait, I got it.
So as a smart phone owner, until you mine and process the raw materials, fabricate the chips, build, assemble, write the firmware, OS, apps, connect to an ethical network provider etc. You can't slag off any company for their bad work practises and or refuse to give them money based on same, because hypocrisy. Really, you can only legitimately dislike a brewery for reasons of taste.
I think you've overreached a bit Spy.
So as a smart phone owner, until you mine and process the raw materials, fabricate the chips, build, assemble, write the firmware, OS, apps, connect to an ethical network provider etc. You can't slag off any company for their bad work practises and or refuse to give them money based on same, because hypocrisy. Really, you can only legitimately dislike a brewery for reasons of taste.
I think you've overreached a bit Spy.
ATOMIC SUPLEX
Member Since: 1985 Post Count: 3
I never said I didn't want non alcoholic beer. It's an easy choice because Brewdog is off the table. My equation works for EVERY situation.
What don't you understand, and why doesn't it work for you?
Do you want Brewdog beer more than you think they are cunts? If so, make your excuses for them and fill your boots.
editor
hiraethified
So there was no legal basis for that bullying twat at Brewdog to try and get it taken down.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
The premise is that I want an AF beer of some kind, and there are two options. I much prefer the Brewdog option to drink but I might settle for the Becks one if I were convinced that Brewdog the company is greatly more awful than Becks (or whoever owns the brand) the company. You are dodging the question of how to decide between the two options by saying you'll choose neither of them.
Of course a potential answer is always "neither" and you can question the importance of having an AF beer in the first place, just like you could say there's never any actual need for anyone to go into any pub, or go on holiday anywhere, or own a dog, or attend a football match. But most of us have decided that we are not going to restrict our lives to only doing things that have no possible negative consequences. We mostly settle for trying to choose least-bad options that are also weighed up alongside our own selfish preferences. You said such choices are very easy but I disagree, because it's almost never possible to make them in the light of complete knowledge. Well, I guess they are easy if you have satisfied yourself that one option involves interacting with some entity that you have decided is immeasurably evil, and are happy to assume that the other option doesn't, even without doing any research.
ATOMIC SUPLEX
Member Since: 1985 Post Count: 3
So you do get it.
Simple isn't it.
If you MUST have the beer do the math on your favourite one first. For me Brew dog is off the table because I have heard a lot of evidence that they are a company of shits. If you still must have your beer then have a becks. I don't know anything about becks other than that their beer is shit. They have not been on my radar or in the press about being shits like brewdog have.
You don't have to look up every company if you don't want to, just like I don't look into life history of every person I meet . . . but if I do meet a person that I have found out to be rapey racist child murderer, then I will avoid their company rather than weigh up the pros and cons about whether they are a better option to invite to the pub quiz than Barry the book shop owner (whose personal life I know nothing much about).
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
No points dealt with. Poor response, at best.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
Most people are not rapey racist child murderers. So it's kind of reasonable to start out assuming they aren't, unless you know otherwise.
Seems a bit naive not to assume that most large companies will share many characteristics with Brewdog.
The question for me is whether there's definitive evidence that there are things going on within Brewdog that are extraordinary for a company of its size.
I do think it's reasonable to assume or at least hope that things will be better in smaller, perhaps less competitive brewing companies. For that reason, I'll tend to always go with an AF beer from a small brewery, in preference to Brewdog (or any of the large operators) when that option is available.
Some people of course might say that's a naive assumption to make too. But I do think that small companies have a better chance of avoiding some of the negative culture and power structures that are so likely to emerge in larger operations.
Seems a bit naive not to assume that most large companies will share many characteristics with Brewdog.
The question for me is whether there's definitive evidence that there are things going on within Brewdog that are extraordinary for a company of its size.
I do think it's reasonable to assume or at least hope that things will be better in smaller, perhaps less competitive brewing companies. For that reason, I'll tend to always go with an AF beer from a small brewery, in preference to Brewdog (or any of the large operators) when that option is available.
Some people of course might say that's a naive assumption to make too. But I do think that small companies have a better chance of avoiding some of the negative culture and power structures that are so likely to emerge in larger operations.
ATOMIC SUPLEX
Member Since: 1985 Post Count: 3
I'm trying to spell it out for you because you are having trouble grasping it.
Tone it down to wife beater if you like. I still don't want them on my pub quiz team.
. . .
Or how about 'known arsehole that I don't like' vs a guy that I don't know is an arsehole yet because they have not been so openly 'an arsehole' that it's been in all the papers?
You get it right? You're not an idiot?
You don't have to look into the history of every company that makes spatulas before buying a spatula, but if it has been widely reported that . . . . lets say a 'beer company' have been massive dicks over and over again (and you haven't even had to seek this information out), then they are not a company I want to buy beer from. . . if I am hypothetically actually dying of thirst and it's literally only brewdog or becks and I have to give one company my money OK I'll drink becks. . .but are you honestly posing a childish 'you have to choose one. . . these are my rules' question?
equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
But, but, but that's your posting strategy, Spy! So how can Atomic Suplex be wrong if he is indeed following your playbook?
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