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hiraethified
Not just 'people'. Actually experts who know what they're talking about and don't just trot out ignorant, inaccurate phrases.
BrewDog: yet another hip company using 'rebel' language to sell its stuff
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ElizabethofYork
Old Crone
I'm not attracted to the product. I do wish you'd stop putting words in my mouth! I'm curious about it, after reading so much about it here.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
At the end of the day, no one really gives a toss about how companies treat their employees if they're producing products people like. Look at Huawei. Hands down one of the most disgusting companies on the planet yet most of this lot are sporting their phones because they're good value.
Even the people on this thread pretending to care about Brewdog's treatment of staff are only doing it because they have an agenda. Very dishonest stuff going on here.
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hiraethified
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
ElizabethofYork
Old Crone
editor
hiraethified
So you've read page after page of stories of bullied workers, toxic workplaces, sexism, a creepy boss making females feel uncomfortable, marketing lies, workers being harassed and decided, "Yes, that's the kind of brand I want to check out."
That speaks volumes about you as a person and I've got no interest in wasting my time talking to you any more because your attitude disgusts me. Enjoy your Brewdog beer.
ElizabethofYork
Old Crone
And yet again you put words in my mouth.
I suppose it's slightly better than the insults.
editor
hiraethified
"I've never had any Brewdog products before, but thanks to this thread, I might try one."
"bvecause of the publicity this thread has given Brewdog, I'm curious about their products and will try one."
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
It's hardly as though you've been ambiguous about any of this.
ElizabethofYork
Old Crone
What point are you attempting to make?"I've never had any Brewdog products before, but thanks to this thread, I might try one."
"bvecause of the publicity this thread has given Brewdog, I'm curious about their products and will try one."
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
There's some very dishonest stuff going on, for sure.
But not quite what you're getting at.
editor
hiraethified
For the last time. You've shown that you want to actively spend money on the products of an anti-union brand.
And that's because in this thread you've learnt all about how they regularly abuse their staff, are owned by a boss who creeps out female employees and makes them feel uncomfortable, runs a well documented toxic workplace culture and is currently engaged in a campaign of trying to bully and harass anyone who made a complaint.
And yet that appalling treatment of workers makes you thirsty to try out for their products rather then boycott them and support breweries with a far better reputation (of which there are many).
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Rubbish post. I demand you make the next one better.
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
Bet you drink Pimm's
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
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ElizabethofYork
Old Crone
Wrong. Yet again.
I'll explain once more.
In capitalist society, all companies are shits. They all look to exploit their workers as much as possible.
After reading this thread, I'm curious about their beer - well, their non-alcoholic beer as I'm teetotal.
I've said absolutely nothing about supporting them.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
As expected Brewdog have been "flooded" with job applications.
Clearly not everyone believes the propaganda ladled-up on this thread.
Clearly not everyone believes the propaganda ladled-up on this thread.
editor
hiraethified
By actively seeking out their products and buying them you are supporting them, FFS.
And seeing as you insist every business is as bad, I'll ask again:
Can you list a load of other 'independent' brewery bosses who have notched up so many widespread accusations of creating a toxic workplace culture, anti-unionism, dodgy sexism, bullying and creeping out female workers, which have been published in the national and international press?
ElizabethofYork
Old Crone
As a result of this thread, I am curious about trying one of their products. If you wish to insist that means that I'm supporting them, then fill your boots. I take it that every product you own means that you actively support that company, and approve of their exploitation of their workers?
No, I don't know any independent breweries.
ElizabethofYork
Old Crone
Anyone who owns a Huawei phone approves of the Chinese regime's genocide of the Uighurs.
Well obviously.
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hiraethified
It's literally what you're doing.
No, not at all. The difference is that if I learn of a company with such a spectacularly appalling current record, I don't then actively seek them out to spend money with them when there's plenty of better alternatives. Because that would be fucking weird.
But if, for example, I bought a product years ago and later learnt that they now have an appalling record on workers' rights, then I won't be buying from them again. Kind of the exact opposite of you, really.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Pretty much all of those pretending to be outraged at BD on this thread have mentioned elsewhere that they are Amazon customers.
‘I'm not a robot’: Amazon workers condemn unsafe, grueling conditions at warehouse
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Jeff Bezos is the richest person on the planet. As of 2020, the Amazon owner is worth approximately 175 billion USD. However, not all of the 798,000 people at the company enjoy hearing about his success.
www.boredpanda.com
But they do good weighted blankets and Prime Video is pretty good, so that's ok!
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skyscraper101
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Even if you didn't give a fig about all their well documented toxic workplace practices, why would anyone want to buy into their shitty hipster cod-punk branding. It just screams that they're a brand designed for twats, by twats.
billy_bob
Air of bewilderment model's own
This 'all capitalism is bad so anyone who boycotts this one brand is a hypocrite' line doesn't stand up to any level of scrutiny at all. Of course all for-profit companies, by definition, exist first and foremost to make a profit, and a certain absolutist anti-capitalist view would be that they're therefore all part of what's wrong with the world. But it's plainly nonsense to say that they all go about making that profit in identically bad ways. And it's just lazy to say 'they're all abusing their staff so what's the difference if I don't take any notice of explicit evidence that this company is doing it?' - it's effectively just admitting without admitting it that all this ethics stuff is too much for you to think about so you're not going to bother with it at all.
I don't buy Huawei products, because of the company's links to the Chinese state and role in the genocide of the Uyghurs. No doubt many people who do buy them know little to nothing about those reasons not to - you could argue they bloody should, but that's not the same as saying they're actively choosing to support something they know is doing harm. Many more people do know about those reasons not to buy Huawei but do it anyway. Are they culpable? To some extent yes - there are other tech companies making the same products. If this thread was about Huawei and those customers were on here defending their choice, I'd try to convince them with information about what Huawei is actually up to, but in the end it's their choice. But don't fucking dress it up as a consequence-free choice without ethical implications just because 'they're all as bad as each other'. That's pathetic.
Oh, and I don't buy from Amazon either. No doubt the same people calling anyone who does buy from Amazon but not from BD a hypocrite will be along any minute to call me a virtue-signalling wanker for mentioning that
I don't buy Huawei products, because of the company's links to the Chinese state and role in the genocide of the Uyghurs. No doubt many people who do buy them know little to nothing about those reasons not to - you could argue they bloody should, but that's not the same as saying they're actively choosing to support something they know is doing harm. Many more people do know about those reasons not to buy Huawei but do it anyway. Are they culpable? To some extent yes - there are other tech companies making the same products. If this thread was about Huawei and those customers were on here defending their choice, I'd try to convince them with information about what Huawei is actually up to, but in the end it's their choice. But don't fucking dress it up as a consequence-free choice without ethical implications just because 'they're all as bad as each other'. That's pathetic.
Oh, and I don't buy from Amazon either. No doubt the same people calling anyone who does buy from Amazon but not from BD a hypocrite will be along any minute to call me a virtue-signalling wanker for mentioning that
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Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Nah. It just makes you slightly less of a hypocrite than many others posting on this thread
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