ATOMIC SUPLEX
Member Since: 1985 Post Count: 3
Except I did.
BrewDog: yet another hip company using 'rebel' language to sell its stuff
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teuchter
je suis teuchter
Actually I'm just trying to explain why I don't think it's as simple (at least for me) as deciding not to buy Brewdog because I've seen a load of bad press about them. To me it makes no sense to assume the alternatives are significantly better. That's based on my observations of what big companies do, and to some extent what the drinks industry in general does.
I initially picked Becks Blue for my example as that's what is often the "other" choice in my local shops. I knew pretty much nothing about Becks as a company. I've spent about 5 minutes on Google just now. It seems to be owned by a company called AB Inbev.
AB Inbev's wikipedia page already provides a list of potentially dodgy stuff they have been involved in.
AB InBev - Wikipedia
A bit more googling with the right keywords and I can find some stuff about sexist advertising
Sexism Epitomised In One Alcohol Label - Movendi International
The world's biggest beer brewer reveals alcohol industry sexism in yet another unethical ad and exposes Big Alcohol's ignorance concerning the role of their products in sexual violence.
movendi.ngo
I can find some stuff about union-busting and harassment of employees
Employees Allege ‘Witch Hunt’ of Union Members at Budweiser Brewery Near Delhi
Workers at AB InBev, parent company of Budweiser and other popular beer brands, allege harassment and intimidation of union members by the management at Sonipat.
So, looks my assumptions are probably reasonably sound. Brewdog probably aren't really worse than most beer brands. They might even be better than some, in certain ways. Of course many of the thread's regular contributors will be horrified that I should take such a view. I trust they won't actually launch into some argument that AB Inbev's sexist advertising is not as bad as Brewdog's but you never know.
billy_bob
Air of bewilderment model's own
Use one of the various sites where you order online and your order is filled by an independent bookseller. It takes like 15 seconds of searching (not on google, obviously, because moral high ground
) to find one.It really isn't that hard.
editor
hiraethified
I'm struggling to think of any UK brewery that has accrued so many recent, deeply unsavoury allegations of lies, sexism and bullying with a toxic workplace culture and one that makes female staff feel uncomfortable in the presence of the boss.
Neither can I think of any other company that has had the sheer volume of complaints, or one that spied on their staff, or one that made up fake trade unions or fabricated bullshit PR stories to try and capitalise on the covid crisis. Or one that regularly tries to silence their critics by bullying and legal threats.
But if - as some people keep insisting - they're simply no different to any other UK brewery, then why aren't we hearing endless recent stories about all these other dodgy breweries in the national and international press, week after week?
Neither can I think of any other company that has had the sheer volume of complaints, or one that spied on their staff, or one that made up fake trade unions or fabricated bullshit PR stories to try and capitalise on the covid crisis. Or one that regularly tries to silence their critics by bullying and legal threats.
But if - as some people keep insisting - they're simply no different to any other UK brewery, then why aren't we hearing endless recent stories about all these other dodgy breweries in the national and international press, week after week?
equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
Yes, I know you did.
ABInBev are by far the world's largest brewing company. They make something like 20% of the world's beer. Yes, the whole world. Unsurprisingly they are an awful company. Saying Brewdog might not be worse really isn't setting the bar high.
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
Trolls gotta troll.
Years ago, thought that the brand was amusing but once the details came out, had to conclude that it's the mark of an eejit to carry on drinking the stuff. Or extol it's virtues.
Yes, the company has a fair degree of success with its edgelordy marketing but at this stage, there's little they can do to convince a purchase of it.
ATOMIC SUPLEX
Member Since: 1985 Post Count: 3
Easy. Then don't buy becks blue either. It's that simple.Actually I'm just trying to explain why I don't think it's as simple (at least for me) as deciding not to buy Brewdog because I've seen a load of bad press about them. To me it makes no sense to assume the alternatives are significantly better. That's based on my observations of what big companies do, and to some extent what the drinks industry in general does.
I initially picked Becks Blue for my example as that's what is often the "other" choice in my local shops. I knew pretty much nothing about Becks as a company. I've spent about 5 minutes on Google just now. It seems to be owned by a company called AB Inbev.
AB Inbev's wikipedia page already provides a list of potentially dodgy stuff they have been involved in.
AB InBev - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
A bit more googling with the right keywords and I can find some stuff about sexist advertising
Sexism Epitomised In One Alcohol Label - Movendi International
The world's biggest beer brewer reveals alcohol industry sexism in yet another unethical ad and exposes Big Alcohol's ignorance concerning the role of their products in sexual violence.
I can find some stuff about union-busting and harassment of employees
Employees Allege ‘Witch Hunt’ of Union Members at Budweiser Brewery Near Delhi
Workers at AB InBev, parent company of Budweiser and other popular beer brands, allege harassment and intimidation of union members by the management at Sonipat.thewire.in
So, looks my assumptions are probably reasonably sound. Brewdog probably aren't really worse than most beer brands. They might even be better than some, in certain ways. Of course many of the thread's regular contributors will be horrified that I should take such a view. I trust they won't actually launch into some argument that AB Inbev's sexist advertising is not as bad as Brewdog's but you never know.
You just found something out about them you didn't like which now perhaps outweighs your desire to spend money on their product. That's up to you.
If your point is that nobody has the right to boycott brewdog if they have ever bought or used any product or service which retrospectively under further scrutiny reveals nothing less than stellar business practices . . . . well then you are a dafty.
Nobody is saying you must or must not investigate every single corporation you buy from. This thread is about brewdog. From the information available I have surmised that brew dog are a company of dick heads that won't be getting my money.
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
This seems a bit back to front to me to be honest. I don't think anyone is saying anyone else has an obligation to buy from Brewdog, that would obviously be ridiculous. If you don't want to just don't, nobody cares. Seems to me the implication on this thread is more the other way - that someone who would buy their products shouldn't. And I think that absolutely does lead down that path of whataboutery tbh.
Has this article been posted? Some wild stuff. Don't take cocaine, guys.
www.goodbeerhunting.com
Conspiracy Weary — BrewDog CEO Files Fraud Lawsuit Against Woman He Paid for Information (Update: 11/4/23) — Good Beer Hunting
Update, Nov. 4, 2023: What was previously announced as a resolution to this case was not in fact its complete end. The BBC reports today that James Watt's criminal fraud prosecution against Emili Ziem "has ended” with Ziem “being acquitted of all charges." According to the report: "
www.goodbeerhunting.com
teuchter
je suis teuchter
It's more than just implication!
Reading up on AB InBev has reinforced my decision to ignore those who are lecturing people about buying Brewdog products.
ElizabethofYork
Old Crone
It will be very interesting to see how this case develops!Has this article been posted? Some wild stuff. Don't take cocaine, guys.
Conspiracy Weary — BrewDog CEO Files Fraud Lawsuit Against Woman He Paid for Information (Update: 11/4/23) — Good Beer Hunting
Update, Nov. 4, 2023: What was previously announced as a resolution to this case was not in fact its complete end. The BBC reports today that James Watt's criminal fraud prosecution against Emili Ziem "has ended” with Ziem “being acquitted of all charges." According to the report: "
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Don't be silly.
Brainaddict
slight system overdrive
Sounds like everyone thinks he's an arsehole and he sees that as about being the result of a conspiracy rather than being about him being an arsehole.Has this article been posted? Some wild stuff. Don't take cocaine, guys.
Conspiracy Weary — BrewDog CEO Files Fraud Lawsuit Against Woman He Paid for Information (Update: 11/4/23) — Good Beer Hunting
Update, Nov. 4, 2023: What was previously announced as a resolution to this case was not in fact its complete end. The BBC reports today that James Watt's criminal fraud prosecution against Emili Ziem "has ended” with Ziem “being acquitted of all charges." According to the report: "
It's oft remarked that money and success don't make people happy but with this guy you can't help feeling glad it hasn't.
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
That article is incredibly carefully writtenHas this article been posted? Some wild stuff. Don't take cocaine, guys.
Conspiracy Weary — BrewDog CEO Files Fraud Lawsuit Against Woman He Paid for Information (Update: 11/4/23) — Good Beer Hunting
Update, Nov. 4, 2023: What was previously announced as a resolution to this case was not in fact its complete end. The BBC reports today that James Watt's criminal fraud prosecution against Emili Ziem "has ended” with Ziem “being acquitted of all charges." According to the report: "
editor
hiraethified
I don't think much has changed since the original copy, although I'm glad they stood up to the bullying tactics of super rich Brewdog.
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
Likewise Adnams, I often divert my walking to go past their brewery and smell the malting. Pretty sure they aren't hipster wank bro misogynist Tory cunts either.
Oh, and their current brewery began life 16 years after the Peasant's Revolt, which is infinitely more cool than anything Brewdog could ever do.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
I think most brewing firms are tory cunts, tbf, but few go out of their way to deny it and then base their entire marketing/brand strategy on that lie.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Well quite. And that's been explicitly said to ElizabethofYork. Half a dozen crackpots in an obscure corner of the interweb moralising about her wanting to try a BD beer but not a word about equationgirl's penchant for weighted blankets and groceries from Amazon, other's greedy consumption of genocide smartphones, or a multitude of other consumer bankruptcies.
"Whataboutery" is just a term used by the morally dumbfounded to justify flagrant hypocrisy.
Meanwhile, people in the real world are queing up to work for this evil employer.
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
Well, I don't know his politics but the current family owner, Jonathan Adnams, has spent 27 years crewing the local lifeboat which compares well to the BrewDog hipsters whose main achievement seems to have been fending off allegations.
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
Shameless support for the brewery and the monarchy all in one day.
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two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
and should be essential reference for anyone wanting to avoid a libel suit.
editor
hiraethified
People can still attract libel suits even if what they posted is 100% accurate thanks to a system that favours rich cunts.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
And your problem with this is …?
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
There's hypocrisy-hunting on both sides here, seems to me.
Another example would be Wetherspoons. I get why some people boycott Spoons, but when I compare their wages with another chain, I find much the same as I found when I compared Amazon to Blackwell's. If anything, spoons appear to pay a tiny bit more than Greene King, for instance. So if I have the choice between drinking in a Greene King pub (and hoping against hope that they don't just have Greene King ales) or a Wetherspoons next door with pints of very good ale for less than half the price, I'm going to choose the Spoons. Of course the owner is a complete dick. So what?
teuchter
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