SaskiaJayne
Rural Guerrilla
Happy Larry is stoat boy. 
Birmingham Bin Strike//Care Workers news and discussion
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So, in your world, if the Council reduce the number of persons employed by 120, as the Union fears, then no money will be saved?
Don't forget that if the Council does succeed in retrenching people, then the onus will be on them to show that the refuse can still be collected efficiently without the dismissed workers.
Have a great day.
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NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
So, in your world, if the Council reduce the number of persons employed by 120, as the Union fears, then no money will be saved?
Don't forget that if the Council does succeed in retrenching people, then the onus will be on them to show that the refuse can still be collected efficiently without the dismissed workers.
Have a great day.
I said it wouldn't save the *ratepayers* any money you fucking illiterate. Or are you really naive enough to believe that any savings will be passed on by the council?
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
theres literally no point.
cybershot
Well-Known Member
There's 14 pages of discussion, you opted to quote no one and say everyone should be sacked!
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
So, in your world, if the Council reduce the number of persons employed by 120, as the Union fears, then no money will be saved?
Don't forget that if the Council does succeed in retrenching people, then the onus will be on them to show that the refuse can still be collected efficiently without the dismissed workers.
3 quick facts:
1. The council are not 'reducing the number of persons'. They are increasing the number of permanently employed staff. The council are proposing to make 120 staff at a higher grade redundant/surplus. They plan to hire more staff at a lower grades and deploy them differently.
2. The council will not make any savings in the round from their proposals. They do however feel that they can limit their future liability from equal pay claims.
3. Not one more bag will be emptied as a result of their proposals. Health and safety of the workers and the public will be impacted as a result of removing the grade 3 post and its responsibilites.
I am afraid your posts are factually wrong and misconceive the entire nature of the dispute, the questions it poses and why it is an important dispute with wider ramifcations. I urge you to do some reading before embarrassing yourself further.
Alternatively, feel free to come to Birmingham and I will happily facilitate a meeting with the Stewards where they can discuss your ideas with you in a full and frank manner.
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
Well I found Smokeandsteam 's post to be informative, but I guess you're right on some level. I'll save my energy and see what he does next.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
I'll be very suprised if he responds to that one. Classic mark of the troll. Doesn't respond to me either because it knows I'll simply tell him to suck his mum or something...so troll. Shits and giggles. Ignore it and see how long it takes to push the racist button for a rise imo
JimW
支那暗杀团
If ever we had a poster in need of a full and frank discussion, serial bell-end Happy Larry is he.
The Octagon
Stop...Hammertime
He'll take that post as an excuse for a whinge about the 'tolerant left', it's not even clever trollery, just by-the-numbers buzzwords and a keen desire to present as successful when he's probably wanking into some kitchen roll and giggling every time he hits Post Reply.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
To quote one of my favourite song lyrics:
Why don't you kill yourself?
You ain't no use to no-one else.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
So basically, what you're saying is that he's ninjaboy?
They certainly are reducing the number of persons employed in the refuse collection department. The Council is offering to provide employment elsewhere within the Council, which is mighty good of them. Any reasonable person would be fairly satisfied at the lengths the Council is going to accommodate the workers made redundant.
You should really read up on the dispute before trying to present yourself as an authority on the subject. Your argument would have far more credibility if you actually quoted sources instead of your own "What I reckons".
As the BBC has reported :
"The Unite union claims restructuring plans threaten the jobs of more than 120 staff"
"It (the Council) said despite the posts going, all workers with an appropriate skills match would be offered new council jobs at the same pay grade.
They surely can't be fairer than that.
What caused Birmingham's bin strike?
"Not one more bag will be emptied as a result of their proposals. "
Has anyone said that this is the purpose of the redundancies? Of course not. The Council merely want to cut costs, which is their job.
"Health and safety of the workers and the public will be impacted"
The Strikers have already had this impact with flies and rats being extensively reported around the uncollected rubbish, so they obviously have little regard for public health.
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BCBlues
Lend us a Twenner
Your argument would have far more credibility if you didn't quote "BBC" but instead took up Smokeandsteam offer to go have a chat with the stewards involved.
And be like Smokeand steam and get only one side of the story?
No thanks.
Would you prefer a report from the Guardian which confirms that the jobs will be cut? :
"On Wednesday, Birmingham council voted to continue with plans to cut 106 jobs in a reorganisation of the waste management service that it hopes will save more than £5m a year."
"Hundreds of refuse workers have been on strike since June in a protest over job losses."
Birmingham bin strike could extend into next year
No thanks.
Would you prefer a report from the Guardian which confirms that the jobs will be cut? :
"On Wednesday, Birmingham council voted to continue with plans to cut 106 jobs in a reorganisation of the waste management service that it hopes will save more than £5m a year."
"Hundreds of refuse workers have been on strike since June in a protest over job losses."
Birmingham bin strike could extend into next year
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
Happy Larry the famous line ‘better to say nothing and have people think you are an idiot than open your mouth and prove it’ has never been more true than in your case.
The smoking gun you’ve produced from the BBC and the Guardian - that there will be job cuts - is exactly what I said above. 120 grade 3 jobs will be cut.
The council have said that they will try to avoid redundancies it is true. But what your google search hasn’t told you is that that’s by offering these workers 3 hobsons choices - take a pay cut (the 200 grade 2 jobs I mentioned early, reducing their pay from about £22k to £18k) move into a time limited role, in other words defer the redundancy for a few months and divide the workforce up round the council or they can apply for a band 3 job doing IT work which the council know many of the workers do not have the skills for and can therefore set them up to fail. Put simply (which I know will be useful for you) the offers to avoid redundancy are kicking the can down the road so workers can picked off one by one later.
My point about ‘not one more bag’ is quite important don't you think seeing as the proposals from the council are badged as ‘a service delivery improvement strategy’ and given you think they are doing such a decent thing?
I would imagine that most people would imagine an improvement to their bin service would include more bag collection and a more regular service. Their plans deliver none of this. It is a crude device to cut and downgrade work because of imminent equal pay cases.
The offer to come here and meet the workers stands but I’m not replying to any more idiotic posts.
Finally pal, I don’t need to do any more reading on the dispute. I live here. I know some of the lads involved personally. I’ve read the council propaganda and the minutes of their secret meetings and I’ve read the High Court judgement. you’ve responded with a google search and two brief overview articles written from London. Your making a total show of yourself
The smoking gun you’ve produced from the BBC and the Guardian - that there will be job cuts - is exactly what I said above. 120 grade 3 jobs will be cut.
The council have said that they will try to avoid redundancies it is true. But what your google search hasn’t told you is that that’s by offering these workers 3 hobsons choices - take a pay cut (the 200 grade 2 jobs I mentioned early, reducing their pay from about £22k to £18k) move into a time limited role, in other words defer the redundancy for a few months and divide the workforce up round the council or they can apply for a band 3 job doing IT work which the council know many of the workers do not have the skills for and can therefore set them up to fail. Put simply (which I know will be useful for you) the offers to avoid redundancy are kicking the can down the road so workers can picked off one by one later.
My point about ‘not one more bag’ is quite important don't you think seeing as the proposals from the council are badged as ‘a service delivery improvement strategy’ and given you think they are doing such a decent thing?
I would imagine that most people would imagine an improvement to their bin service would include more bag collection and a more regular service. Their plans deliver none of this. It is a crude device to cut and downgrade work because of imminent equal pay cases.
The offer to come here and meet the workers stands but I’m not replying to any more idiotic posts.
Finally pal, I don’t need to do any more reading on the dispute. I live here. I know some of the lads involved personally. I’ve read the council propaganda and the minutes of their secret meetings and I’ve read the High Court judgement. you’ve responded with a google search and two brief overview articles written from London. Your making a total show of yourself
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Er, what you said is "The council are not 'reducing the number of persons". The Union is quoted quite plainly by both the BBC and Guardian as claiming that they are striking because the Councils proposals "threaten the jobs of more than 120 staff". So either they are lying, or you are. I will stick with the Unions version, rather than some anonymous poster on the internet who claims to "know it all" even though he/she submits only "what I reckons" and no confirmed source at all.
Your argument that the strikers are acting in the interests of an improved service are laughable and incredibly naive. The strikers have shown absolutely no consideration for the elderly and infirm and the health risks that they are exposing them to. It is the poor and needy that the Union is making suffer here, as they do not have the ability to get rid of excess rubbish whilst the wealthy simply pay someone to dispose of theirs.
The Birmingham Council is a majority Labour Council and will naturally take into consideration the interest of the Trade Unions, which is the Labour Party's major source of funds. In this case, the Council has had the guts to stand up to Union bullying and do its job, which in case you've forgotten, is to save ratepayers money by not employing more people in the refuse department than is required to do the job. Their actions are a credit to the Labour Party and have certainly shown the UK public that Labour is NOT merely a Union lackey and will oppose Union bullying in the best interests of both the Birmingham and UK public
eatmorecheese
He's fallen out of the car again
'Union bullies', check. Lackeys', check. Bingo card looking good for a full house.
Just boring though.
Just boring though.
Holding honest taxpayers to ransom.
Ho Chi Ming
I only follow one party: the Mongo party
They'll be driving around in Ferraris next and chucking pound coins at the elderly as they die in foetid pools of used nappies and sabre-toothed maggots. These bloody workers. Hang the lot of 'em.
Happy Larry would sort them out. He could tidy up the whole of Birmingham with one hand tied behind his back and still be home in time to knock one out over a photoshopped image of a naked Jacob Rees-Mogg slaughtering a picket line with a Gatling gun.
Larry for Leader!
Happy Larry would sort them out. He could tidy up the whole of Birmingham with one hand tied behind his back and still be home in time to knock one out over a photoshopped image of a naked Jacob Rees-Mogg slaughtering a picket line with a Gatling gun.
Larry for Leader!
Athos
Well-Known Member
I'd begun to type out a line-by-line refutation of this, but, on reflection, I can more economically brigade my criticisms thus: you fucking bellend.
JimW
支那暗杀团
With a swingeing cut like that you might want to considered standing for the council
maomao
普費斯
If you're posts presented anything resembling a properly put together argument people would argue with you. That's what we're all here for. Pointless arguments. No-one's giving you the time of day because you're an arsehole and your posts are shit. Just fuck off cunt.
...and then realised you have absolutely no clue how you would refute it, so resorted to the usual refuge of the clueless, mindless abuse.
Athos
Well-Known Member
...and then realised you have absolutely no clue how you would refute it, so resorted to the usual refuge of the clueless, mindless abuse.
It's just too stupid for me to waste my time on.
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