nastybobby
Well-Known Member
Whenever I see FoTL 'arguments'/reasoning and the like I'm always reminded of this lady.
No. It was a business rates thing. I'd gone in to try to stop them rubber stamping a liability order and my name wasn't on any of the stuff. I didn't succeed.I see. So your case was adjourned?
What happened when it resumed, did you do the same cunning ploy?
I've seen guys go totally reckless with it and had to intervene to save them.
I've also faced down a magistrate who was threatening me with imprisonment if I didn't confirm my name and walked free from the courtroom (for that, I did a vast amount of research and do not recommend anyone tries it at home)
No. It was a business rates thing. I'd gone in to try to stop them rubber stamping a liability order and my name wasn't on any of the stuff. I didn't succeed.
But I thought I'd see what happens when you deny a magistrate jurisdiction.
I can tell you, when they ask you to stand up, and you remain sitting down, they go fucking mental. It was fairly calm up to that point. After that he bolted from the court and called security. After he came back in he spent several minutes asking me who I was in various ways ever more forcefully and not accepting, "I'm here today AS squirrelp....".
"WHO ARE YOU? WHAT DOES THIS EVEN MEAN, I'M HERE TODAY AS squirrelp?"
I just held the same line.
The final question was, "Under the Magistrates Act nineteen something something something blah I have the power to hold you in contempt of court. DO YOU UNDERSTAND?"
I had a bemused security guard right behind me.
I can tell you, my heart was beating pretty quickly.
I opened my mouth.
"I'm here today AS squirrelp, here to humbly request an adjournment...."
Maybe. And I'd admit, I thought that I wouldn't be tested too severely for exactly that reason.What exactly is this meant to demonstrate? You went to a liability hearing and acted like a tit. And your victory was not being thrown in the cells. Liability hearings are basically admin work that a magistrate has a stack to get through in a day. You didn't outwit them- they just can't be arsed dealing with the paper work that comes holding some preening cunt in contempt.
The whole thing went EXACTLY as I'd prepared for, in terms of not granting the magistrate jurisdiction. I'd been warned about them going progressively more and more irate demanding my name. I was fully expecting to have security on my shoulder.
If its just a case of 'can't be arsed', why bolt from the courtroom and go bananas shouting questions and threats? These guys are generally ultra-calm.
At the end of it, the magistrate switched from being incredibly aggressive to very politely asking me to leave, which I did. I'd had enough fun by that point.
I'm not sure theres just one bill poster company so possibly lots of companys are getting paid to put up the odd poster and havn't realised theres a complete loon funding this.
I doubt bill posters have many ethical problems.
If the story is true, then fair do's. You could give any rationale to why it worked - from making yourself not worth the effort, to full FOTL craziness - but if it worked... Then it worked!So...again, as captainmission said, you wound up a magistrate and he couldn't be arsed to do anything about it. That's what I'm getting from your story. You can wind up a copper too and half the time he won't bother to do anything about it. The other half he might give you a kicking or throw you in the cell for a night. It's not to be recommended, or not unless you can run very fast. Another magistrate (perhaps less busy) might have held you in contempt. I'd strongly suggest you don't try to do stuff like this in court again, but since you seem set on it, could you film it for us and stick the footage up here when you do? Cheers
Most grifts require some balls and luck.Although I'm sure that such stalling tactics will count for naught if someone in the courts wishes to make an example of you.
I would just like to point out the theory I understood behind this question. Posters may be familiar with the phrase, "do you understand?" at the end of the arrest speech the police give you. It's considered a move to obtain jurisdiction. Why do the police say it? Are they going to not arrest you if you say no? I doubt it. Pertinently whatever you say or do to this question is recorded carefully.The final question was, "Under the Magistrates Act nineteen something something something blah I have the power to hold you in contempt of court. DO YOU UNDERSTAND?"
Well that's your prerogative, but I think if you were to say that the 1000 success stories on those boards were made up, that's a bit silly.
I've been around the block with this stuff, both sides of it.
It's a bit like recreational drug use.
The mainstream media will tell you it does nothing but harm.
The main characters promoting it can be quite bizarre people and others are the type that are driven to it through desperation.
There are racists involved
There are disaster stories even amongst experienced practitioners.
There is reckless use from people who really have no clue what they are doing.
There are people who take a pill and then think they can fly and are immune from any threat.
There is a lot of stuff that is just junk and no-one should bother with.
But set against that the reason it's been spreading is that people are getting in many cases the results they intended with it. I've seen some first hand.
I've seen guys go totally reckless with it and had to intervene to save them.
I've also faced down a magistrate who was threatening me with imprisonment if I didn't confirm my name and walked free from the courtroom (for that, I did a vast amount of research and do not recommend anyone tries it at home)
If the story is true, then fair do's. You could give any rationale to why it worked - from making yourself not worth the effort, to full FOTL craziness - but if it worked... Then it worked!
In the 17th century you could get away with anything once if you could recite a Bible verse; therefore proving yourself a clergyman and subject only to the ecclesiastical courts - which had helpfully been abolished 300 years earlier. Also you could refuse to plead - which slowed the whole thing down... But then you got crushed with weights until you entered a plea.
The point being that there are always little grifts and fads regarding law dodging.
They're not racists silly, they're just people who perceive the deeper hidden connections that the MSM and the CIA and Mossad don't want you to know about. At least Squirrelp had the good grace to acknowledge the other day that maybe the CIA did not in fact invent the term 'conspiracy theorist'.fify
why didn't you mention that you hang around with racists?
It's not a move to obtain jurisdiction. It's to defend against later legal challenge within the system. The jurisdiction already obtains and doesn't need establishing.I would just like to point out the theory I understood behind this question. Posters may be familiar with the phrase, "do you understand?" at the end of the arrest speech the police give you. It's considered a move to obtain jurisdiction. Why do the police say it? Are they going to not arrest you if you say no? I doubt it. Pertinently whatever you say or do to this question is recorded carefully.
The theory I was ascribing to holds that I could have been thrown in jail if I had said, "yes", "no", remained silent, or produced a smart-arsed response such as "I overstand" all of which would have granted jurisdiction to the magistrate.
That's the theory, anyway.
Maybe. And I'd admit, I thought that I wouldn't be tested too severely for exactly that reason.
but there were many interesting points about it.
The whole thing went EXACTLY as I'd prepared for, in terms of not granting the magistrate jurisdiction. I'd been warned about them going progressively more and more irate demanding my name. I was fully expecting to have security on my shoulder.
If its just a case of 'can't be arsed', why bolt from the courtroom and go bananas shouting questions and threats? These guys are generally ultra-calm.
At the end of it, the magistrate switched from being incredibly aggressive to very politely asking me to leave, which I did. I'd had enough fun by that point.
nah, they're just people with a nasty, racist, outlook.They're not racists silly, they're just people who perceive the deeper hidden connections that the MSM and the CIA and Mossad don't want you to know about. At least Squirrelp had the good grace to acknowledge the other day that maybe the CIA did not in fact invent the term 'conspiracy theorist'.
So...again, as captainmission said, you wound up a magistrate and he couldn't be arsed to do anything about it.
Welcome to planet earth.Seems like pretty poor showing for magistrates to be administering the law differentially based on whether they can be arsed or not.
And if the justice system has a dirty secret it's precisely that: that judgments can and do depend on the beak's mood, whether or not they like you, their class and/or race prejudices. In theory the appeal system should ensure greater consistency, but some of the prejudices are likely to extend throughout the system and if you're not rich then you may not be able to appeal, so there's presumably more consistency in decisions for the rich.Seems like pretty poor showing for magistrates to be administering the law differentially based on whether they can be arsed or not.