Billboards stating "It's illegal to use a legal name".

[FridgeMagnet]

''A classic example of this schizophrenia freemen and paid-riots and legal goo-ruse of men go to jail and it’s easy to know why….legal is about minding everybody else’s business but your own and gone are the daze where we needed to do this legal challenge thing at all….that was before the fundamental change in the contracts all humanity is bound in where the knowledge of legal name fraud and, the legal fact that it’s illegal to use a legal name from any all birth certificates bares the clasula rebis sic stantibus escape clause into view. People like Notaries (not ari’s/knot-our-eyes) insist on schizophrenia where nothing can be not-arised without presenting your willingness to commit fraud by using a legal name that doesn’t belong to you but you think it does. Then the emotions kick in with “but my mummy and daddy gave me that name!!!!” as they stomp their widdle feet screaming like banshees vowing vengeance where the simple truth is all the vengeance you need. You’ll never get burned at the B.A.R. and be Cued again. Remember, evil won’t give up without a fight but it can’t harm you, only bluff you to extremes to try and coerce or trick you back into you being their hollow-wean tree-Te’s. It’s illegal to be a legal anything stops them in their tracks.''

And there it is. What it is, I'm not sure, but it is there.

 

[Dogsauce]

Is there some kind of knowing L Ron Hubbard character sat behind all this nonsense chuckling to himself and taking the money from fools?

 

[8ball]

Is there some kind of knowing L Ron Hubbard character sat behind all this nonsense chuckling to himself and taking the money from fools?

As far as I can tell, it's just the billboard owners that are taking money from fools.

 

[8ball]

Parents = Payer Rents

It's a bit Terry Pratchett.

I wonder what they think of insurance.

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

Oh god, I remember that

 

[squirrelp]

People do seem to be having quite a lot of success in getting debts removed with this stuff though

getoutofdebtfree.org • Success Stories Forum

 

[keybored]

People do seem to be having quite a lot of success in getting debts removed with this stuff though

getoutofdebtfree.org • Success Stories Forum

Could you link to specific threads? I skimmed the first five and none of them seemed to be related to "this stuff".

 

[jusali]

I like to think I have a pretty open mind on pretty much anything..........but today I feel like I've been in the heads of some truly mad human beings...

 

[squirrelp]

Could you link to specific threads? I skimmed the first five and none of them seemed to be related to "this stuff".

There are a variety of techniques promoted on GOODF, including A4V and promissory notes, it's fairly up there. On this thread from the first page there's "John of the family Lewis" nuking a HMRC alleged debt
getoutofdebtfree.org • HMRC penalties victory!

 

[Brainaddict]

People do seem to be having quite a lot of success in getting debts removed with this stuff though

getoutofdebtfree.org • Success Stories Forum

I very much doubt that. I'm sure that some fotlers do get let off their debt in court. I'd imagine it happens in one of two scenarios. Either the judge considers the merits of the case and, ignoring the insane witterings of the fotler, decides they shouldn't have to pay that debt, or the judge decides the person is so clearly insane that they'll not be able to pay the debt. This is not the same as their arguments working, but I can see how it would look like that to someone with a poor grasp on reality.

 

[keybored]

There are a variety of techniques promoted on GOODF, including A4V and promissory notes, it's fairly up there. On this thread from the first page there's "John of the family Lewis" nuking a HMRC alleged debt
getoutofdebtfree.org • HMRC penalties victory!

Sorry, but I'm finding it hard to believe HMRC are going to just wipe their noses and write off a debt like that on the evidence supplied by the OP in the thread you linked.

I notice someone else tried the same thing on later in the thread and got this slightly more predictable result...

The use of a stock letter or notice extracted from a website will not absolve you of your responsibilities as a taxpayer. Your letter contains no valid arguments that prevent you from paying your income tax. Your letter is very similar to others in our possession compiled from well-known websites that promote this kind of correspondence.

HMRC is not bound by any of the unreasonable conditions you have stipulated, and your letter has not raised any valid legal arguments for not paying your Income Tax as laid down in the Taxes Management Act 1970.

If you feel I've not dealt with your complaint fully or correctly, you can ask for a different customer service manager to carry out a further review.

 

[8den]

There are a variety of techniques promoted on GOODF, including A4V and promissory notes, it's fairly up there. On this thread from the first page there's "John of the family Lewis" nuking a HMRC alleged debt
getoutofdebtfree.org • HMRC penalties victory!

Dear Sir,

You are a complete idiot.

Yours,

Humanity.

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

People do seem to be having quite a lot of success in getting debts removed with this stuff though

getoutofdebtfree.org • Success Stories Forum

No, they don't.

 

[captainmission]

There are a variety of techniques promoted on GOODF, including A4V and promissory notes, it's fairly up there. On this thread from the first page there's "John of the family Lewis" nuking a HMRC alleged debt
getoutofdebtfree.org • HMRC penalties victory!

HMRC waives tax return penalties 'whenever someone appeals'
Too costly to investigate reasons for missing self-assessment deadline, staff are told, so £100 fine should be cancelled if an excuse is given

So undefunding of HMRC, not the bloke being a magic wizard with law defying spells.

 

[newbie]

There are a variety of techniques promoted on GOODF, including A4V and promissory notes, it's fairly up there. On this thread from the first page there's "John of the family Lewis" nuking a HMRC alleged debt
getoutofdebtfree.org • HMRC penalties victory!

the 3rd post on that thread is racist dribble.

 

[keybored]

HMRC waives tax return penalties 'whenever someone appeals'
Too costly to investigate reasons for missing self-assessment deadline, staff are told, so £100 fine should be cancelled if an excuse is given

So undefunding of HMRC, not the bloke being a magic wizard with law defying spells.

They're obviously not even reading the letters, otherwise they would have tripled that guy's fine for being a daft bastard.

 

[bimble]

There are a variety of techniques promoted on GOODF, including A4V and promissory notes, it's fairly up there. On this thread from the first page there's "John of the family Lewis" nuking a HMRC alleged debt
getoutofdebtfree.org • HMRC penalties victory!

I Love the sign off from that stock letter of theirs.
"I write without ill will vexaciousness or frivolity,
your sincerely,
john of the family lewis. "

 

[DotCommunist]

the 3rd post on that thread is racist dribble.

you know how it goes, every brand of conspiracy thinking always ends up with 'its the joos' at its base.

 

[newbie]

you know how it goes, every brand of conspiracy thinking always ends up with 'its the joos' at its base.

tbh having no interest in conspiracies I only know how that sort of thing goes because I read about it on here and occasionally mistakenly follow links posted by other people.

I'd be grateful if squirrelp could explain why they're linking to a thread in which a clearly racist post is not challenged. It's unacceptable to post that sort of thing and unacceptable to link to it without, at the very least, posting a warning and breaking the link to avoid racists noting the attention from this site and coming back here.

 

[NoXion]

you know how it goes, every brand of conspiracy thinking always ends up with 'its the joos' at its base.

Sometimes the joos have scales...

 

[bimble]

Yeah, I was really disappointed when I figured out that for all their charming loonery and beguiling wordplay this lot with their mysterious posters are basically just another bunch of frothing at the mouth ant-joo david icke mentalists. It does kind of take the shine off the whole thing a bit.

 

[NoXion]

Yeah, I was really disappointed when I figured out that for all their charming loonery and beguiling wordplay this lot with their mysterious posters are basically just another bunch of frothing at the mouth ant-joo david icke mentalists. It does kind of take the shine off the whole thing a bit.

First they disguise themselves as reptiles, and now they're disguising themselves as insects. Does their deviousness know no bounds?!

 

[squirrelp]

Sorry, but I'm finding it hard to believe HMRC are going to just wipe their noses and write off a debt like that on the evidence supplied by the OP in the thread you linked.

I notice someone else tried the same thing on later in the thread and got this slightly more predictable result...

Well that's your prerogative, but I think if you were to say that the 1000 success stories on those boards were made up, that's a bit silly.

I've been around the block with this stuff, both sides of it.

It's a bit like recreational drug use.

The mainstream media will tell you it does nothing but harm.
The main characters promoting it can be quite bizarre people and others are the type that are driven to it through desperation.
There are disaster stories even amongst experienced practitioners.
There is reckless use from people who really have no clue what they are doing.
There are people who take a pill and then think they can fly and are immune from any threat.
There is a lot of stuff that is just junk and no-one should bother with.

But set against that the reason it's been spreading is that people are getting in many cases the results they intended with it. I've seen some first hand.

I've seen guys go totally reckless with it and had to intervene to save them.
I've also faced down a magistrate who was threatening me with imprisonment if I didn't confirm my name and walked free from the courtroom (for that, I did a vast amount of research and do not recommend anyone tries it at home)

 

[bimble]

Ah! you're an actual highly skilled practioner of the art.
Please tell us how you walked free. Did you confirm your name ?

 

[two sheds]

I met a FoTLer who told me she'd beaten the courts using FoTLer arguments to prevent her partner (I think it was) having to repay a bank loan.

I pressed her and she won because the bank wasn't able to produce a copy of the original signed agreement. Which isn't really a FoTLer principle.

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

Well that's your prerogative, but I think if you were to say that the 1000 success stories on those boards were made up, that's a bit silly.

I've been around the block with this stuff, both sides of it.

It's a bit like recreational drug use.

The mainstream media will tell you it does nothing but harm.
The main characters promoting it can be quite bizarre people and others are the type that are driven to it through desperation.
There are disaster stories even amongst experienced practitioners.
There is reckless use from people who really have no clue what they are doing.
There are people who take a pill and then think they can fly and are immune from any threat.
There is a lot of stuff that is just junk and no-one should bother with.

But set against that the reason it's been spreading is that people are getting in many cases the results they intended with it. I've seen some first hand.

I've seen guys go totally reckless with it and had to intervene to save them.
I've also faced down a magistrate who was threatening me with imprisonment if I didn't confirm my name and walked free from the courtroom (for that, I did a vast amount of research and do not recommend anyone tries it at home)

Oh just fuck off.

 

[keybored]

Well that's your prerogative, but I think if you were to say that the 1000 success stories on those boards were made up, that's a bit silly.

I didn't say that. I said I found it hard to believe that single example you posted of "people having a lot of success" of evading debt using this incredible legal name loophole.

Most of the posts on that board seem to relate to more credible scenarios (like fucking off DCAs who are chasing statute-barred debts).

 

[squirrelp]

Ah! you're an actual highly skilled practioner of the art.
Please tell us how you walked free. Did you confirm your name ?

I wouldn't say that at all!

And no, I just kept repeating, "I'm here today AS squirrelp...blah blah blah, requesting an adjournment to proceedings...blah" as the magistrate went more and more bonkers.

On the last few times he demanded my name, I had security next to my shoulder ready to whisk me away.

It was a very interesting experience.

 

[bimble]

I wouldn't say that at all!

And no, I just kept repeating, "I'm here today AS squirrelp...blah blah blah, requesting an adjournment to proceedings...blah" as the magistrate went more and more bonkers.

It was a very interesting experience.

I see. So your case was adjourned?
What happened when it resumed, did you do the same cunning ploy?

 

[ddraig]

Your own security??