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Bernie is running
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Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
He's said Killary is the one percent, the wall street candidate, the Goldman Sachs candidate . The type of thing he was starting a revolution against. And now he's turned round and endorsed the monster. He's a fucking sell out and a joke . A waste of everybody's time.
A sell out .
Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
Do you not get it that were you in Britain you'd be regarded as a Blairite ? And a particularly fawning one ? That people are absolutely sick of all that stuff ? Plainly your in awe of this monster . You can't see the magnitude of the evil she's done, and will do again given the opportunity .
1. Again I ask.....What would you want him to do? Please answer that simple question.
2. As far as me being "in awe of this monster".....No I'm terrified of Herr Trump and his brown-shirt type followers. And do you not get that were you in the US, you'd be seen as one of Trump's rabid nationalistic and racist mob chanting USA! and Build that wall!....and cheering as he proclaims “The police are not just part of our society. The police are the best of our society. We have to remember that. They represent our highest ideals, our greatest values and our most noble characteristics. When our police are attacked, our entire nation is attacked. Remembur that. So the message must be delivered clearly for all to hear. The hostility against our police has to end and has to end right now." That kind of talk frightens me and any politician in Britain speaking like that would frighten you I think.
Casually Red
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NOT ENDORSE THE CORRUPT , BOUGHT AND PAID FOR WALL STREET CANDIDATE HE'S BEEN PROCLAIMING A REVOLUTION AGAINST THIS PAST YEAR
Killary won't be dropping bombs on you . You don't give a shit what she does. Your so in awe of her it's had to be pointed out to you over and over again her record of aggression. You accept none of it. You blame everyone else but her. Your a sycophant when it comes to her. Your totally in awe of her.
Trump telling Americans not to be shooting the police isn't fascism . He also called for " love and compassion " , called the murders of 2 black motorists by police " tragic and senseless " and later referred to their murders as " terrible and disgusting " and emphasised " ALL Americans " have the right to go about their business in safety and security . His aide Gingrich told white Americans they need to start appreciating the levels of dangers , risk and basic disrespect Black Americans experience at the hands of police.
Newt Gingrich: 'It is more dangerous to be black in America'
And Killary Clinton is without a doubt one of the people primarily responsible for that culture of law enforcement hate against Black Americans from her previous role in the white house, at her rapey husbands side . Lest we forget, in her own words.
" Super Predators...bring them to heel " 3 strikes and it's a life sentence. Black Gulags today thanks to her .
Does that not frighten you Tom ? It'd sure as hell frighten me if I was a black American .
Why does it not frighten you when it's Killary ? I'd really like to know .
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Ok. That's what you think he should not do. And I agree Hillary is corrupt. She swims in the corrupt American political sea. But what should he do. Nothing? He's against Trump and promised to endorse the Democratic nominee and he did so.
Bill Clinton received over 80% of the black vote both times he ran for pres. I don't think all those black people were stupid or misled. And though it's not relevant to this election, Bill Clinton was never convicted of rape.
Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
He sold out . He was against Killary as well. Now he's endorsed her after campaigning pretending to oppose everything she's about. He's a sell out . he certainly should not endorse wall street corruption and warmongering. Yes, doing nothing is much better than endorsing corruption , American exceptionalism and warmongering. Much better . Political tribalism is no justification. Loyalty to a party machine is no excuse at all.
And I never asked you about how many black people voted for the clintons. I asked you what you thought about Killary describing black inner city youths as super predators who need brought to heel. I asked you what you thought about the anti black culture of law enforcement that derives directly from the propaganda she promulgated when lobbying for a set of laws that massively increased levels of black incarcerceration . I never asked you about votes .
Plainly your sycophancy won through again. So you ignored it again.
Just as you've ignored Trump and Gingrichs response to police killings and black harassment . Like it never happened .
Because she was talking about violent black criminal gangs that killed other blacks in the midst of a crack epidemic in black neighborhoods. And as I have repeatedly said, 90% of the blacks in those gulags were arrested, tried, convicted & imprisoned by state, county, & city authorities, not by the federal gov.
I'll trust blacks to decide which candidate is better for them, not white pundits.
http://www.theroot.com/blog/journal-isms/poll-just-1-of-blacks-back-trump/
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Yuwipi Woman
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Behave?
Ya sure!
You have to understand its a winner gets the spoils system. Bernie didn't win. He's lucky to get what he got.
There is a way of enforcing them. That's having Bernie supporters involved for the long haul, instead of bugging out to play Pokemon. We really need them to go into their local cities and run for office. They need to be gearing up for the ongoing fight for the country, not whining about setbacks. I don't care what tact they take. I only care that they do something constructive instead of getting mad and giving up. The Republicans have been successful because they understand that its not one fight. It's a multi-generational struggle.
The party platform isn't meaningless. Go research how it has changed over time and you'll see a history how the political climate changed. For that matter, go check out how the Republican platform has changed over time. When the political climate moved right, so did the platform. To the point that it's become the corporatist rag its is. Our job is to move it back where it belongs and translate it into policy.
In the meantime, they can work on ending the Superdelegate system, which is pretty much what killed Bernie's campaign. It's a rigged system and everyone knows it. A vice-chair of the party resigned over it and is running an effort to do just that. Bernie supporters could go make themselves useful over there.
Failing that we need the Bernie supporters to stick around and start another party. I've already decided that the Greens aren't viable. Its full of people who want to whine and moan, and ultimately not do anything.
Do I think Clinton is the dream candidate? No way. She's just as corrupt as what we've had since both the Clinton and Bush dynasties took over. I see little difference between them. The only real one is who they're going to nominate for the Supreme Court. One wrong appointee right now will end any positive change for generations. So that's the basis I'm voting on with the limited options available. If you see a better candidate/party for my purposes I'll be happy to investigate, but I won't be voting for Trump.
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planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
Yeah but, yeah but. Criticize Clinton for all you like, but surely don't hold Trump up to do so. Here's a few more of Trump's positions.
For taxing the rich. Against taxing the rich.
For raising minimum wage. Against raising minimum wage.
For abortion. Against abortion.
For torture. Against torture.
For more troops to fight ISIS. Against more troops to fight ISIS.
For assault weapons ban. Against assault weapons ban.
For legalizing drugs. Against legalizing drugs.
For invasion of Iraq. Against invasion of Iraq.
For total muslim ban. Against total muslim ban.
For deal with Iran. Against deal with Iran.
For accepting Syrian refugees. Against accepting Syrian refugees.
I could go on but you get the picture. Roughly twice the amount of 'positions' as any other candidate ever.
Oh Yuwipi, I apologise for my bad-tempered post - I know how hard and conscientiously you have worked on behalf of Sanders. I do think the status quo is likely to remain much the same in the US...which is demoralising...and yep, Trump is truly a delusional crazoid...just get the jitters because, well. Clinton.
stupid kid
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The current republican party platform is just so out there. Anti-Porn,anti-gay marriage, pro-bible in schools. It's actually pretty far to the right of the Trump on most issues. The fact that they won't even endorse CBD (the medical form of weed that you can't really get high from) is worrying. I think even here in Texas there was a pro CBD bill passed last session. The theocratists seem to be in the majority in the RNCs grass roots.
stupid kid
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Oh Yuwipi, I apologise for my bad-tempered post - I know how hard and conscientiously you have worked on behalf of Sanders. I do think the status quo is likely to remain much the same in the US...which is demoralising...and yep, Trump is truly a delusional crazoid...just get the jitters because, well. Clinton.
At this point I think the best case scenario is for Clinton to be elected, appoint two SCOTUS judges, and then get impeached. The republicans are in on this, for their part, they've already made overtures suggesting they believe she can be impeached for things she's already done.
The hope would then be that the VP would be someone strong enough to cast off the worst parts of her agenda.
ETA: if this were to happen after the halfway point of her first term, the VP could still stand for president in 2020 and 2024.
Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
Ok so, you actually agree with her ? Still, 20 years later you still defend that . You actually agree with her assessment of these black youths as super predators , agree with her 3 strikes means life policy , and agree they should be brought to heel . And feel moved to defend her for it . That's amazing I'm having a stab in the dark here but I'm assuming your white and middle class too ?
I suppose you also don't trust these black people either..because they agree with the pundits you don't trust .
Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
Plainly you don't trust these black people to know what's best for them either
Or this guy who states Killarys blitz on the blacks back in the 90s is why BLM exists today
Protesters, TV personalities & rappers obviously don't represent the opinions of the vast majority of black people. I go by the polling & the voting.
Yuwipi Woman
Whack-A-Mole Queen
Three SCOTUS judges would be better, but I can't disagree with the rest.
Yuwipi Woman
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Oh Yuwipi, I apologise for my bad-tempered post - I know how hard and conscientiously you have worked on behalf of Sanders. I do think the status quo is likely to remain much the same in the US...which is demoralising...and yep, Trump is truly a delusional crazoid...just get the jitters because, well. Clinton.
No worries! I understand how frustrating our elections are for everyone else. They're frustrating for us so I can only imagine how it is for someone with even less input then I have. I know my vote is irrelevant. I live in a solidly blue state so no matter who I vote for the Republican candidate will win.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
I don't think its fair to say bernie sold out. He's a Democrat. If you lost you face front and shake hands with the winner. What else will you do, hive off into some irrelevant gropsucle? I do like the idea of the sandernistas beginning the long march through state politics though
Yuwipi Woman
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Part of the deal with him running for office on the Democratic ticket was to do just that if he failed to get enough delegates. I think he felt that trying to take over and existing party would work better than forming a new one. He came closer than anyone could have imagined, but no cigar.
And one of the many points leveled against him was that he has always kept a distance between himself, a democratic socialist, and the rest of the establishment Democrats...which, as we are seeing in the UK, leaves a large enough opening to allow prising and prodding fingers to gain leverage.
Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
He's a sell out cunt . The next war she starts ? Sanders endorsed it . The next coup she foments in Latin America ? Sanders endorsed it. The ever widening gap in wealth between the super rich...who bought and paid for her..and the rest of humanity. Sanders just endorsed that. After wasting everybody's time . And taking the poors money .
If the extent of your disagreement is whether to raise/lower the rate of income tax by 1% then you can have a reasoned debate and the loser can then go along with the winner's position. It's not a big deal.
If the extent of your disagreement is decisions which could lead to your country and many others being destroyed, with billions of dead, then I'm afraid the Queensberry rules have to go out of the window.
If the extent of your disagreement is decisions which could lead to your country and many others being destroyed, with billions of dead, then I'm afraid the Queensberry rules have to go out of the window.
Bollocks. She was spouting racist cliches in a wretched amoral scramble for votes. Meanwhile, her husband was busy ending welfare. The Clintons are responsible for mass incarceration, which is one of the greatest crimes of the twentieth century.
That's before we even get to "we came, we saw, he died" and the rest of her disgusting foreign policy.
I see no substantive difference between her and Trump.
I must correct you again as I did on another thread. Bill didn't end welfare. The Clintons are not responsible for the mass incarceration of blacks. Only 10% of those incarcerated are in federal prison. 90% are arrested, tried, convicted & sentenced by state, county & city governments.
No you are wrong. Bill Clinton is indeed responsible for mass incarceration, as he himself readily admits.
More to the current point, Hillary supported and endorsed his policy at every stage. Thus she is complicit in what by any measure must be regarded as a heinous crime against humanity. She should be locked up, not running for President.
Give me Trump any day. He's a wanker of the first water, but he hasn't actually participated in this kind of repression.
"President Bill Clinton on Wednesday conceded that over-incarceration in the United States stems in part from policies passed under his administration.
Clinton signed into law an omnibus crime bill in 1994 that included the federal "three strikes" provision, mandating life sentences for criminals convicted of a violent felony after two or more prior convictions, including drug crimes. On Wednesday, Clinton acknowledged that policy's role in over-incarceration in an interview with CNN's Christiane Amanpour."
Bill Clinton concedes role in mass incarceration - CNNPolitics.com
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
you seem to be saying, do you want someone who knows about repression or someone who will be a keen pupil?
I don't want either of them.
But Clinton is a proven criminal. Trump is only a potential one. Any sensible person would prefer the latter to the former.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
ok then, i'll bite: what has clinton been convicted of?
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