Bernie is running

[teqniq]

I don't want either of them.

But Clinton is a proven criminal. Trump is only a potential one. Any sensible person would prefer the latter to the former.

Given Trump's association with Mafia related individuals over Atlantic city casino operations and a hotel he had built in New York I think it's fair to say he may well be guilty of criminal offences. However unfortunately he like the Clintons being part of the well-connected and wealthy elite it is unlikely he will ever face any criminal proceedings over it.

 

[Pickman's model]

Given Trump's association with Mafia related individuals over Atlantic city casino operations and a hotel he had built in New York I think it's fair to say he may well be guilty of criminal offences. However unfortunately he like the Clintons being part of the well-connected and wealthy elite it is unlikely he will ever face any criminal proceedings over it.

according to dwyer clinton has faced criminal proceedings and been convicted. what else can he mean when saying "clinton is a proven criminal"?

 

[J Ed]

If Bill Clinton didn't end welfare someone should let him know because he thinks he did

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/22/opinion/22clinton.html

 

[Pickman's model]

come in phildwyer, tell us about clinton's convictions

 

[phildwyer]

come in phildwyer, tell us about clinton's convictions

Neither of the Clintons hold any deep convictions, they're opportunists.

 

[phildwyer]

Given Trump's association with Mafia related individuals over Atlantic city casino operations and a hotel he had built in New York I think it's fair to say he may well be guilty of criminal offences.

I doubt that. He's regarded as an unscrupulous businessman who'd rather be sued than fulfil his contractual obligations, but not as an outright crook.

 

[Pickman's model]

Neither of the Clintons hold any deep convictions, they're opportunists.

Ho ho, you're on form today professor.

Not.

What crimes have the Clinton been convicted of either jointly or separately?

 

[phildwyer]

Ho ho, you're on form today professor.

Not.

What crimes have the Clinton been convicted of either jointly or separately?

What are you on about now?

 

[Pickman's model]

What are you on about now?

You said Clinton is a proven criminal. Convicted of what in which court/s?

 

[phildwyer]

You said Clinton is a proven criminal. Convicted of what in which court/s?

I didn't say he'd been convicted. Sorry but you've really lost me now. Maybe try a nice lie down?

 

[Pickman's model]

I don't want either of them.

But Clinton is a proven criminal. Trump is only a potential one. Any sensible person would prefer the latter to the former.

Clinton is a proven criminal: and not Bill but Hilary. Proof pls Phil

 

[NoXion]

I didn't say he'd been convicted. Sorry but you've really lost me now. Maybe try a nice lie down?

How does one prove criminality outside of a court of law?

 

[Pickman's model]

I call bullshit.

 

[phildwyer]

Clinton is a proven criminal: and not Bill but Hilary. Proof pls Phil

Both of them are proven criminals.

But I'm sorry Pickers, talking to you is like having teeth pulled by a very very stupid and boring dentist. I simply can't see what point you're trying to make. Maybe you could start by explaining that?

 

[Pickman's model]

Both of them are proven criminals.

But I'm sorry Pickers, talking to you is like having teeth pulled by a very very stupid and boring dentist. I simply can't see what point you're trying to make. Maybe you could start by explaining that?

I"m making the point you're lying, being as the only way someone is proven a criminal is in a court of law.

 

[phildwyer]

I"m making the point you're lying, being as the only way someone is proven a criminal is in a court of law.

No it isn't. There are many ways of proving someone a criminal. Was that really your entire point?

 

[Pickman's model]

No it isn't. There are many ways of proving someone a criminal. Was that really your entire point?

Go on then, what are these other ways of proving someone a criminal

 

[Pickman's model]

No it isn't. There are many ways of proving someone a criminal. Was that really your entire point?

Oh dear you've gone all quiet.

 

[TomUS]

Both of them are proven criminals.

I understand your passionate beliefs (but I think you said you won't vote....strange) but I'm afraid this leads you to wildly exaggerate to the point of saying things that are simply untrue. I don't like Hillary either. But Americans are faced with 2 choices and in my view, any thinking voter has to conclude that she's the best of the 2 by far.

 

[maomao]

I understand your passionate beliefs (but I think you said you won't vote....strange) but I'm afraid this leads you to wildly exaggerate to the point of saying things that are simply untrue. I don't like Hillary either. But Americans are faced with 2 choices and in my view, any thinking voter has to conclude that she's the best of the 2 by far.

There's more then 2 choices. Though I don't know how you draw a picture of an ejaculating phalus on one of those voting machines you lot use.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

There's more then 2 choices. Though I don't know how you draw a picture of an ejaculating phalus on one of those voting machines you lot use.

That's where "hanging chads" come in.

 

[TomUS]

There's more then 2 choices. Though I don't know how you draw a picture of an ejaculating phalus on one of those voting machines you lot use.

I don't use a voting machine. In my state we vote by mail. But there are 2 other choices: Gary Johnson, Libertarian and Jill Stein, Greens polling approx 10% & 5% respectively. Stein however is a well meaning but dangerous Nader-like candidate who will only help Trump.

 

[Pickman's model]

There's more then 2 choices. Though I don't know how you draw a picture of an ejaculating phalus on one of those voting machines you lot use.

You use a magic marker

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

You use a magic marker

Or put it in a paper bag and hand it to the elderly lady manning the voting box.

 

[Pickman's model]

Or put it in a paper bag and hand it to the elderly lady manning the voting box.

She'd think you were giving her a can of beer

 

[phildwyer]

I understand your passionate beliefs (but I think you said you won't vote....strange) but I'm afraid this leads you to wildly exaggerate to the point of saying things that are simply untrue. I don't like Hillary either. But Americans are faced with 2 choices and in my view, any thinking voter has to conclude that she's the best of the 2 by far.

Th decision not to vote was difficult, but I think the truth is that real power no longer resides with the POTUS, but with the abstract and inhuman demands of what we still laughingly call "the economy."

So it seems misleading to pretend that the identity of the POTUS is a significant matter, and participating in the election would give that impression.

In addition, a vote implies an endorsement, and I can't endorse any of the candidates.

Finally it seems to me that the difference between Hillary and Trump is a matter of style, not substance. I'm convinced that they would do exactly the same as each other if elected. Only Hillary could get away with it more easily, because of the residual perception that she is somehow a "liberal." In my opinion that makes Hillary worse than DT.

 

[Pickman's model]

No it isn't. There are many ways of proving someone a criminal. Was that really your entire point?

So post up the proof hillary clinton's a criminal

 

[Pickman's model]

Th decision not to vote was difficult, but I think the truth is that real power no longer resides with the POTUS, but with the abstract and inhuman demands of what we still laughingly call "the economy."

So it seems misleading to pretend that the identity of the POTUS is a significant matter, and participating in the election would give that impression.

In addition, a vote implies an endorsement, and I can't endorse any of the candidates.

Finally it seems to me that the difference between Hillary and Trump is a matter of style, not substance. I'm convinced that they would do exactly the same as each other if elected. Only Hillary could get away with it more easily, because of the residual perception that she is somehow a "liberal." In my opinion that makes Hillary worse than DT.

Strange. Above you said what made her worse than dt was her being a proven criminal and him only a potential one.

 

[petee]

I don't use a voting machine. In my state we vote by mail. But there are 2 other choices: Gary Johnson, Libertarian and Jill Stein, Greens polling approx 10% & 5% respectively. Stein however is a well meaning but dangerous Nader-like candidate who will only help Trump.

Socialist Workers Party 2016 Campaign

 

[phildwyer]

So post up the proof hillary clinton's a criminal

I've told you why she's a criminal, many times.

Tbf I'm beginning to suspect that by banging on and on about this with no apparent sense or logic, you are simply trying to disrupt this thread--and I'm afraid that you're doing it for your usual reasons.