Bernie is running

[butchersapron]

http://gawker.com/bernie-sanders-su...tm_medium=recirculation&utm_campaign=fridayAM

bit off, hired a few weeks ago then suspended for a post from a year back. Not sure what to make of it tbf given that bernie hasn't been kissing AIPAC arse or anything. Maybe its the tone of the piece rather than objection to content?

You don't need to kiss aipac arse to have a consistent pro-israeli state position. That's what he has.

edit: the direct issue would be that Sanders supported 2014 atacks on gaza (though seems to have realised now that this is politically damaging) and the suspended person called this plain mass murder.

 

[Vintage Paw]

Bernie's gone to the Vatican.

 

[Vintage Paw]

Bill Clinton's crime bill destroyed lives, and there's no point denying it | Thomas Frank

So just how did Bill Clinton fuck over African Americans? That's partly how.

 

[J Ed]

As much as I like him and and feel genuinely excited by the movement around him and its undoubted future potential, Sanders' position on Israel is indefensible to my mind and I am sure a lot of his supporters in the US feel the same way.

It reminds me a bit of Syriza who have actually managed to become the most pro-Israel government in Greek history. I don't think Bernie would be that bad on the issue but anyone expecting something approaching a decent approach to the Palestinians from a Sanders presidency is setting themselves up for disappointment imo.

 

[J Ed]

From the Vatican today

 

[TomUS]

Bill Clinton's crime bill destroyed lives, and there's no point denying it | Thomas Frank

So just how did Bill Clinton fuck over African Americans? That's partly how.

I will repeat what I said that nobody responded to.....

I don't understand how Bill Clinton is responsible for locking up the huge number of black people. Federal prisons hold less than about 10% of the American prison population. But maybe I'm missing something. If so, I'd like someone to explain.
Mass Incarceration: The Whole Pie 2016 | Prison Policy Initiative

 

[TomUS]

As much as I like him and and feel genuinely excited by the movement around him and its undoubted future potential, Sanders' position on Israel is indefensible to my mind and I am sure a lot of his supporters in the US feel the same way.

For an American politician, Bernie is pretty good in criticizing the Israeli right and in expressing sympathy for the Palestinians. And he is taking a lot of heat for it.

Bernie Sanders did something previously unheard of in last night's CNN debate: He stood up for Palestinians' humanity.

"As somebody who is 100 percent pro-Israel, in the long run," Sanders said, "we are going to have to treat the Palestinian people with respect and dignity."

Sanders is saying that the US needs to publicly acknowledge Israeli mistreatment of the Palestinians, because the reality is that Palestinians are indeed suffering terribly — and right-wing Israeli policies, championed by politicians like Netanyahu, are partly to blame. Clinton, he argues, has at various points (such as her recent speech to AIPAC, the pro-Israel lobby) been too unwilling to emphasize.

Bernie Sanders just shattered an American taboo on Israel

 

[J Ed]

For an American politician, Bernie is pretty good in criticizing the Israeli right and in expressing sympathy for the Palestinians. And he is taking a lot of heat for it.

Bernie Sanders just shattered an American taboo on Israel

With your qualifier you are right, but how insane is it that someone who is obviously so pro-Israel can be considered good? He just sacked someone from his campaign team for being too anti-Israel and she isn't even for BDS.

 

[J Ed]

'They sell you a dream': tech workers protest Clooney event for Clinton Third Way is dying

 

[TomUS]

Bernie has started a movement. Even if he loses & Hillary becomes the nominee & then pres, it won't go away.

 

[gosub]

 

[Vintage Paw]

Bernie has started a movement. Even if he loses & Hillary becomes the nominee & then pres, it won't go away.

That's what I'd like to hope. I am worried that disaffection will set in though. When you're that invested and excited by something, and feel so much hope, to lose can be crushing. Massively crushing. Without the drive and momentum of the campaign to push you forward, ensuring that same passion is harnessed and utilised can be difficult.

I know the same numbers won't be involved, but there is some hope that it'll spur on grassroots people to get involved in local politics. Really the whole campaign is a total failure if it doesn't translate into huge numbers running for local and state government, because those are what make the biggest difference in some people's lives, and that end up being the point of contact with government for many people.

Consider me hopeful yet sceptical at the moment.

 

[J Ed]

Does anyone even dare to hope that Bernie could win tomorrow?

 

[TomUS]

That's what I'd like to hope. I am worried that disaffection will set in though. When you're that invested and excited by something, and feel so much hope, to lose can be crushing. Massively crushing. Without the drive and momentum of the campaign to push you forward, ensuring that same passion is harnessed and utilised can be difficult.

I know the same numbers won't be involved, but there is some hope that it'll spur on grassroots people to get involved in local politics. Really the whole campaign is a total failure if it doesn't translate into huge numbers running for local and state government, because those are what make the biggest difference in some people's lives, and that end up being the point of contact with government for many people.

Consider me hopeful yet sceptical at the moment.

What gives me hope, if Hillary gets the pres, is that she will be far more subject to pressure from Bernistas & other progressives that any Repub would, if the progressives take the trouble to apply that pressure. Like all presidents, she'd want a 2nd term & that will be harder to get if she totally alienates progressives.

 

[TomUS]

Does anyone even dare to hope that Bernie could win tomorrow?

Latest polling I saw has Hillary leading by 10 points. And she was elected senator twice. But Bernie was born in Brooklyn. Probably comes down to how much or little she wins by.

 

[J Ed]

Latest polling I saw has Hillary leading by 10 points. And she was elected senator twice. But Bernie was born in Brooklyn. Probably comes down to how much or little she wins by.

I think he'd have a good shot if it was an open primary or if the registration date wasn't in 2015 but as it is I can't see it either.

 

[Vintage Paw]

What gives me hope, if Hillary gets the pres, is that she will be far more subject to pressure from Bernistas & other progressives that any Repub would, if the progressives take the trouble to apply that pressure. Like all presidents, she'd want a 2nd term & that will be harder to get if she totally alienates progressives.

She's going to alienate them big time during the race proper. She'll move right, to show herself as the more responsible republican when contrasted to whichever crackpot the GOP ends up nominating.

I'm sure she'll hold onto some of the progressive stuff she's tried to fake, but for the most part she can rest easy knowing that the democrat base will traipse out as always to prevent an even greater evil.

 

[J Ed]

Latest poll, Bernie only 6 points behind in NY New York Polling Results - One America News Network

...he's outperformed worse polling than that...

 

[Vintage Paw]

He's done better than quite a few polls have suggested in the past, in a few races, hasn't he?

I keep holding out hope.

I mean, if he did somehow pull a win out of the bag, that would be absolutely devastating for Hillary. New York should be a shoo-in for her. It doesn't mean he'll suddenly be ahead in delegates, and all things considered would still be likely to lose overall, but if ever there's been something that could give him some serious momentum it would be that.

Seeing her reaction (and that of her campaign and the media and, well, everyone else) would be quite something.

But even if (when?) he loses, if the margin is quite tight it's going to be a bit of a kick in the stomach for the Clinton campaign. We see the same thing over and over though: the majority of people didn't really know who Sanders was beyond perhaps a vague recollection of a white haired shouty guy who wants to legalise weed, but as soon as his campaign moves to an area those polls start reflecting that if they hear what he has to say they like it. An alternative to the mainstream Democrat drum beat - imagine that!

If he did manage a win, I wonder if it would herald the turning of a small handful of Hillary's super-delegates?

 

[J Ed]

According to 'impartial', 'objective' data driven people like Nate Silver, let alone the pundits, he would never win New Hampshire then he wouldn't win anywhere else after that. The fact his campaign has gotten as far as it has is just astonishing.

 

[J Ed]

Against Fortress Liberalism | Jacobin is a good read

 

[damnNAFTA]

In Brooklyn, Clinton supporters carve out safe space in 'Bernie bro' country

 

[J Ed]

In Brooklyn, Clinton supporters carve out safe space in 'Bernie bro' country

So brave and inspiring

 

[gawkrodger]

He's done better than quite a few polls have suggested in the past, in a few races, hasn't he?

?

yeh, but they have been open primaries/ones which didn't require registering months back

 

[teqniq]

Bernie Sanders just said Americans should be able to sue Saudi Arabia over 9/11

 

[gosub]

Bernie Sanders just said Americans should be able to sue Saudi Arabia over 9/11

I'd rather he went large on the James Zadroga act

 

[ruffneck23]

and saudi have come back with this

Saudis warn of economic reprisals if Congress passes 9/11 bill - CNNPolitics.com

 

[J Ed]

Signs of some impressive amount of voter suppression going on.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

and saudi have come back with this

Saudis warn of economic reprisals if Congress passes 9/11 bill - CNNPolitics.com

Piss in the wind. It would be pretty silly of them to trash the world economy over something that would likely get thrown out of court, and even if it went ahead, would be in litigation for years. And then, even if a judgement was obtained, how are they gonna collect?

 

[Pickman's model]

Piss in the wind. It would be pretty silly of them to trash the world economy over something that would likely get thrown out of court and even if it went ahead, would be in litigation for years. And then, even if a judgement was obtained, how are they gonna collect?

people do lots of stupid things with less reason behind them