Beating the Fascists: The authorised history of Anti-Fascist Action

[Fozzie Bear]

I think it's great LiamO

Like equationgirl says it's hard to put into context - this section is clearly focused mainly on the action. And I really enjoyed it, but would hope that the book has more levels than that. And I'm sure it will.

I'm assuming that people aren't identifiable from the names you've used (apart from Matty )?

 

[LiamO]

I think it's great LiamO

Why thank you kindly.

Like equationgirl says it's hard to put into context - this section is clearly focused mainly on the action.

yes. It is shorn of context - but hopefully this thread gives even this excerpt some amount of context.

And I really enjoyed it, but would hope that the book has more levels than that. And I'm sure it will.

It certainly does and it certainly will. The primacy of politics is a key principle - and the reason I am writing it.

I'm assuming that people aren't identifiable from the names you've used (apart from Matty )?

Absolutely. Other than Matty (RIP) the others have had their names changed. I think they will still be recognisable to those who knew them.

Colin was easy. I just gave him the name he used to give to the Police whenever he was stopped by them

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

Very well written, I'm looking forward to this now

 

[LiamO]

Was this in Beating the Fascists, because I've definitely heard it before?

To the best of my knowledge, whilst some of these events may have been referred to in passing in BtF, no account has ever been published of them. Even at the time I don't think Red Action made any public acknowledgement of them for the obvious legal reasons and also to keep the Fash guessing.

When they were reviewing the events of the night in question - when 2 members of their main band got ambushed many miles apart on the same night - there was probably a high level of paranoia involved. We were always keen to encourage them in this paranoia and their post-event rationalisations/ fairy-tales.

Stuart himself was fond of claiming in interviews that in the Swiss Cottage pub there were about 25 or 30 Reds, armed to the teeth with bats and bars, trying to smash his hands etc in a prolonged (ahem) brutal attack.

The reality is that there were 5 combatants, only one was tooled-up and the incident lasted less than 15 seconds.

 

[Citizen66]

Looking forward to the book. Any idea when it'll be published or are you way off that yet?

 

[DaveCinzano]

Okay, own up - who popped WAYWARD CHERRY?

 

[DotCommunist]

its got to be worth a read when it emerges. I enjoyed BtF for the discussions surrounding the political angles- there was a good bit of 'frank exchange of views' in that also but I cannot say I've had enough of reading about avowed fash getting a foot in the arse

 

[LiamO]

Okay, own up - who popped WAYWARD CHERRY?

Think may have been the chaps in the video posted above

 

[Fedayn]

Not a bad read that Liam O.

 

[LiamO]

Looking forward to the book. Any idea when it'll be published or are you way off that yet?

I've only 25,000 words done. need twice that I think. Don't hold your breath.

 

[Citizen66]

I've only 25,000 words done. need twice that I think. Don't hold your breath.

A book fair launch would be good but that seems an unreasonable timescale. I'm pretty patient when it comes to things I want but want done well. Just waited an age for a cold war game that went a year over schedule. Unfortunately it got cancelled.

 

[juice_terry]

Cracking stuff LiamO

 

[barney_pig]

A book fair launch would be good but that seems an unreasonable timescale. I'm pretty patient when it comes to things I want but want done well. Just waited an age for a cold war game that went a year over schedule. Unfortunately it got cancelled.

Luckily the real thing looks like it's well on schedule.

 

[LiamO]

For various reasons I took those excerpts down for now.

Dunno why I bothered me arse taking them down really as I have just clocked that they have been pasted in their entirety on S****front.

So I've put 'em back up.

Venceremos! etc

 

[Citizen66]

Dunno why I bothered me arse taking them down really as they have been pasted in their entirety on S****front. Can someone go on there and demand they are taken down as an affront to white pride or whatever?

Stormcunt is hard to join. I only ever managed to post in the heavily moderated 'alternative views' forum and died of boredom pretty quickly.

Aren't the US big on protecting intellectual property rights?

 

[LiamO]

Stormcunt is hard to join. I only ever managed to post in the heavily moderated 'alternative views' forum and died of boredom pretty quickly.

Aren't the US big on protecting intellectual property rights?

Dunno, I've never joined. I just had a butcher's to see if Wayward Cherry had copied and pasted it anywhere (just copied a couple of sentences into Google and up popped S****front).

Aren't the US big on protecting intellectual property rights?

Sure I posted it on here on a public forum, didn't I?

I doubt you need permission to copy and paste stuff from one forum to another. Anyway, fuck 'em.

 

[Fozzie Bear]

Good advert for the book LiamO

Marketing people get paid to come up with stuff like that.

I think it's great when nazis read well written stuff about their heroes getting their comeuppance too

 

[Fedayn]

For various reasons I took those excerpts down for now.

Dunno why I bothered me arse taking them down really as I have just clocked that they have been pasted in their entirety on S****front.

So I've put 'em back up.

Venceremos! etc

I think we can assume that 'credite posteri' is Eddie Cherry.

 

[LiamO]

I think we can assume that 'credite posteri' is Eddie Cherry.

Chose a 'foreign' username too where's his pride in his own country, eh? EH?

Running round spouting Latin (What did the Romans ever do for us?) bit poncy, middle-class that, ain't it?

I might make him my marketing director/publicist though.

 

[equationgirl]

What are they saying about the extract out of interest? I didn't think it painted the fash in a great light.

 

[Citizen66]

Sure I posted it on here on a public forum, didn't I?

I doubt you need permission to copy and paste stuff from one forum to another. Anyway, fuck 'em.

You need permission to publish words that you don't own the intellectual property rights on wherever the medium you found them and whatever the medium you publish them to. Quoting a bbc news report is expected, posting up segments of a yet-to-be-published book may prove more problematic. You have registered it for copyright? If not do so now. I could copyright your words leaving you unable to publish them although you'd have a weak argument against me given you'd posted the words here first.

 

[DaveCinzano]

I might make him my marketing director/publicist though.

Your very own Max Clifford!












ALLEGEDLY.

 

[equationgirl]

You need permission to publish words that you don't own the intellectual property rights on wherever the medium you found them and whatever the medium you publish them to. Quoting a bbc news report is expected, posting up segments of a yet-to-be-published book may prove more problematic. You have registered it for copyright? If not do so now. I could copyright your words leaving you unable to publish them although you'd have a weak argument against me given you'd posted the words here first.

Copyright is an automatic free right in the UK so there is no need or legal requirement to register it. There is no official registration scheme in the UK and although several exist, the IP industry has generally been of the viewpoint that they are of limited value to the general public.

Liam could finish his posts with 'Copyright [real name] 2014' or '(c) [real name] 2014' to make it clear that they are a copyright work, and even go so far as to add a disclaimer such as 'All rights reserved. This work must not be reproduced in whole or in part in any format without the written permission of the copyright owner.'

 

[FridgeMagnet]

As equationgirl says there is no need to register copyright. Nobody can come along and "copyright your words". The fact that they've been posted here at a specific date and time should be sufficient proof should anyone try to claim otherwise (which I've never heard of in this sort of context tbh). LiamO is explicitly claiming copyright as the author here rather than saying they are quotes from someone else.

People quoting the pieces here on other forums... well, legally it's probably fair use.

 

[Lazy Llama]

Your posts are yours, you keep copyright in them and no-one can legally use them elsewhere without your permission;

By posting, you give permission for your post to appear on urban75; and The collection and the database that are urban75 belong to urban75 as a whole.

source: http://www.urban75.net/forums/help/terms

 

[LiamO]

Thanks for clearing that up FridgeMagnet and Lazy Llama.

I really don't care where they are posted/reposted tbh as long as the likes of wayward cherry does not think they can quote them verbatim to pad out their own sub-11+ tomes

 

[equationgirl]

Thanks for clearing that up FridgeMagnet and Lazy Llama.

I really don't care where they are posted/reposted tbh as long as the likes of wayward cherry does not think they can quote them verbatim to pad out their own sub-11+ tomes

Yes because my post clearly contributed nothing to this point

If you are concerned about copying in the strictest sense you will have to monitor his publications for how much of your extract he is including in them.

 

[equationgirl]

As equationgirl says there is no need to register copyright. Nobody can come along and "copyright your words". The fact that they've been posted here at a specific date and time should be sufficient proof should anyone try to claim otherwise (which I've never heard of in this sort of context tbh). LiamO is explicitly claiming copyright as the author here rather than saying they are quotes from someone else.

People quoting the pieces here on other forums... well, legally it's probably fair use.

I think the 'fair use' exception may only apply to quoting small parts of the extract though - if the whole thing was copied verbatim into another work it might not apply.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

I think the 'fair use' exception may only apply to quoting small parts of the extract though - if the whole thing was copied verbatim into another work it might not apply.

It does generally but if what he's posting here are extracts in themselves...

I just wanted to follow up on what you posted to reassure LiamO that nobody could just come along and half-inch his work and claim it for their own. (Well, they could try, but they'd be in a poor situation.) They can quote it for the purposes of criticism or illustration or whatever but his copyright on his work remains his.

 

[equationgirl]

It does generally but if what he's posting here are extracts in themselves...

I just wanted to follow up on what you posted to reassure LiamO that nobody could just come along and half-inch his work and claim it for their own. (Well, they could try, but they'd be in a poor situation.) They can quote it for the purposes of criticism or illustration or whatever but his copyright on his work remains his own.

No, wasn't having a go at you, more trying to point out that Liam saw fit to thank everyone but me.

Copyright registration schemes in the UK have always been a sore point in the industry. There's a few kicking about but as it's an automatic right and free there's not an obvious need for them. There's a well-established and reputable copyright system for the US which seems to work well but US IP law is a strange beast at the best of times.