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Beating the Fascists: The authorised history of Anti-Fascist Action

malatesta32 said:
stinky miffed with the fash! 2.10 in!


and from VNN nazi shit tanks: 'In fact if you look closely, from 2.39 into the video, you can see the 'leader' himself, Will 'the beast' Browning, doing fcuk all as his NS pal is booted out of the venue! LOL, CD18, the comedy machine.'
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I put this video up a few days ago on U75 in the music section, i was at this gig.
I have since found out that Stinkey is not so much a hero after all.
These gigs at the Bridge House and elsewhere are put out by Combat 18. Yeah I didn't believe it either when I was told.
This is their cover they use, Iceni Promotions.
http://iceni-promotions.webs.com/
And you can see a Rejects flyer on there from a few years back showing the "union" is nothing new.
By chance I clicked on the flyer and it opens up a photo bucket page of all the other gig flyers, and heres where it gets interesting. In the new HNH magazine they run a feature on Combat 18 and key figures named include a Nick Field. The name of the user of the photo bucket page when it opens is - Nick Field.
You cannot tell me that Stinkey and co are not aware of just who is putting their gigs on, and the other bands for that matter. Is it a case of turning a blind eye for a few pound? Because thats what it seems to me.
Yeah he gave that scumbag what for and it was fantastic to see/witness, but it all feels a bit sour now to me frankly.
Stinkey Turner - Hero? or Villain?
 
Jeremy Vile said:
You cannot tell me that Stinkey and co are not aware of just who is putting their gigs on, and the other bands for that matter. Is it a case of turning a blind eye for a few pound? Because thats what it seems to me.
Yeah he gave that scumbag what for and it was fantastic to see/witness, but it all feels a bit sour now to me frankly.
Stinkey Turner - Hero? or Villain?
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So why not post up exactly what you have done to investigate this? and the results of those investigations? Instead of posting HnH/daily mail style 'no-smoke-without-fire' insinuations.

I understand that Stinky may not necessarily be a friend of the Left, but he certainly appears to be an avowed and long-term public enemy of the Fash... not on an anonymous Forum, but up front and personal... see from 4.46 here...





and that - in the absence of any actual evidence from you - is good enough for me.
 
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LiamO said:
So why not post up exactly what you have done to investigate this? and the results of those investigations? Instead of posting HnH/daily mail style 'no-smoke-without-fire' insinuations.

I understand that Stinky may not necessarily be a friend of the Left, but he certainly appears to be an avowed and long-term public enemy of the Fash... not on an anonymous Forum, but up front and personal... see from 4.46 here...





and that - in the absence of any actual evidence from you - is good enough for me.
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So you tell me then why on the misc links on that Icini/C18 page, G&R record label is plugged, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G&R_London.
Your of course the big expert on the fascisto music scene after all. So come on them Mr Know it all, why are C18 plugging this particuar record label and no others.
 
Far right loons have always tried to attach themselves to mainstream people.

There's all sorts of shite in the Skrewdriver biography about how members of Motörhead and whatever had a chat with the band once.

I don't think it means anything in the absence of other evidence.

"Losers try to demonstrate links with successful people" is not headline material.
 
I understand and see that fozzie, but this is not a one off, its a continuous link, and from what I can gather it is a West Ham affiliated one, you may even notice that Iceni page is in west ham colours. Perhaps a case of "we're all west ham" regardless of politics.
If I have been to presumptuous i apologise, but i would wager you will never see Mensi play gigs where such doubts arise around the organisers.....
 
It's plain to anyone who sees the video that he means what he says when he confronts the sieg heiling idiot. Good on him.

I saw the Cockney Rejects at the Bridge House twice in 1981 and it looked well different as Back then it was rammed, sweaty and chock a block with hundreds of skinheads. At one of the gigs, word was going round that Daily Mail gutter journos had been hanging around outside offering a quid for kids to pose doing nazi salutes and that it would be right for everyone to tell them to fuck off if approached. I think that may have even come over on the mic from the man himself in the video. Anyway, half way thru the gig, a skin lunges over the bar and smashes the camera out of the hand of a Sounds photographer, Martin Dean, thinking he was from the Daily Mail.

I still have a drumstick with west ham ribbon on it, a souvenir that was thrown into the crowd. Leaving the gig, the old double decker bus (69) was packed and extremely noisy, half the people who were upstairs, including myself, got off thru the back window fire escape, hanging down on the rail and dropping to the street. Those were the days.
 
Jeremy Vile said:
So you tell me then why on the misc links on that Icini/C18 page, G&R record label is plugged, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G&R_London.
Your of course the big expert on the fascisto music scene after all. So come on them Mr Know it all, why are C18 plugging this particuar record label and no others.
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No. That is not how this works. You are the one casting aspersions on straight-goers like Stinky. You are the one who must back them up. It's easy to sling mud. Not so easy to back it up with evidence.

The Left in general made a huge mistake in dismissing Oi! as a Fash scene first time round. Surely you don't think it wise to repeat this stupidity?

Jeremy Vile said:
Your of course the big expert on the fascisto music scene after all.
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I have first-hand knowledge of a particular time many years ago. It's ancient history. I have not lived in Britain for over 20 years so I know fuck all about any music scene much less this one - although I do fancy myself as an authority of sorts on the Irish traditional music scene ( I am happy to report it is currently Fash-free btw).

Even when I was involved in Cable Street Beat (25 years ago) I happily stood outside on Doors, rather than listen to the racket inside so I certainly did not concern myself with the minutiae of Oi/Punk or any other noisy music even back then. I was more into Otis and Wilson than Mensi and Stinky.
 
really interesting chapter from Liam...well written and funny

hard to credit that in the 1980s people were walking about openly dressed in Nazi regalia, reading Nazi fanzines on public transport.
 
Jeremy Vile said:
I understand and see that fozzie, but this is not a one off, its a continuous link, and from what I can gather it is a West Ham affiliated one, you may even notice that Iceni page is in west ham colours. Perhaps a case of "we're all west ham" regardless of politics.
If I have been to presumptuous i apologise, but i would wager you will never see Mensi play gigs where such doubts arise around the organisers.....
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Yes, you're right about Mensi, he has consistently refused to deal with any promoter with a dodgy political history, even when his contemporaries have been willing to turn a blind eye.

In Stinky's case, I believe he genuinely hates the fash, based on his family background and his friendship with people like Cass Pennant and other black lads who went with the ICF. There may, however, be something to your theory that the 'we're all West Ham together' mentality blinds some people to the dodgy characters around them. Wasn't there a similar outfit (or maybe the same one?) that tried to organise a gig with fash and non-fash bands in the Boleyn Pub not so long ago?

Some of the most dodgy political characters around West Ham in recent years have been the Italian 'tourists' from Lazio... even Cass managed to get himself embroiled with them. It doesn't make him a bad guy imho, he's a businessman with an eye to the next book and merchandising possibility... I blame that c@nt Di Canio.

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On the story about the van attacked at a roundabout. Around the time I was going to gigs at the Bridgehouse (and the Lyceum), a guy approached me and 5 or 6 mates when we were hanging around in the high street. He was a short bloke wearing a military uniform who spoke in an upper class twerp accent, which immediately provoked stifled sniggering from us. He asked if we knew certain skinheads from another area and explained that he had recently been at an attack on a van full of "lesbians" at a roundabout, somewhere up north (stuck in traffic?), which in our view was hardly something to brag about despite ourselves harbouring the typical teenage fear of homosexuality.

He then went on to explain he was an NF organizer and asked if any of us "chaps" (yes, he used that word) would be interested in joining. There was a sort of an embarrassed silence as we all stood there and thought who the fuck is this prick. I don't think anyone even answered him.

We mimicked his accent for a week till we got bored of the joke and then forgot about it.

Years later (90's) I recognized him in a photo in searchlight. He was up in Manchester organizing something with gays.
 
Jeremy Vile said:
but i would wager you will never see Mensi play gigs where such doubts arise around the organisers.....
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You are comparing apples and oranges. You would expect Mensi takes that stance, because

1. He is a avowedly political being, whereas Jeff Geggus is not.

2. Mensi was involved at the 'cutting edge' of anti-fascism and his principled stance is informed by that

3. because he is not stupid and has a long memory - the infamous Astoria gig was also sold as a non-political event, was it not?

4. Because Mensi would have to fight his own corner - The Cockney Rejects have the whole Firm thing with which to make any Fash behave themselves.
 
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Anudder Oik said:
On the story about the van attacked at a roundabout. Around the time I was going to gigs at the Bridgehouse (and the Lyceum), a guy approached me and 5 or 6 mates when we were hanging around in the high street. He was a short bloke wearing a military uniform who spoke in an upper class twerp accent, which immediately provoked stifled sniggering from us. He asked if we knew certain skinheads from another area and explained that he had recently been at an attack on a van full of "lesbians" at a roundabout, somewhere up north (stuck in traffic?), which in our view was hardly something to brag about despite ourselves harbouring the typical teenage fear of homosexuality.
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First time I've ever been called a lesbian, (I think!).
 
I went there when it was down and now I can't remember what for. :D something by some Author who thanked you for uploading her work there I think.
 
Citizen66 said:
I went there when it was down and now I can't remember what for. :D something by some Author who thanked you for uploading her work there I think.
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Red Storm said:
Got an email from the author of Beating the Fascists? Eve Rosenhaft. She was saying thanks for putting her book up for free on the Archive. Credit goes to Butchers though.
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Anudder Oik said:
On the story about the van attacked at a roundabout. Around the time I was going to gigs at the Bridgehouse (and the Lyceum), a guy approached me and 5 or 6 mates when we were hanging around in the high street. He was a short bloke wearing a military uniform who spoke in an upper class twerp accent, which immediately provoked stifled sniggering from us. He asked if we knew certain skinheads from another area and explained that he had recently been at an attack on a van full of "lesbians" at a roundabout, somewhere up north (stuck in traffic?), which in our view was hardly something to brag about despite ourselves harbouring the typical teenage fear of homosexuality.

He then went on to explain he was an NF organizer and asked if any of us "chaps" (yes, he used that word) would be interested in joining. There was a sort of an embarrassed silence as we all stood there and thought who the fuck is this prick. I don't think anyone even answered him.

We mimicked his accent for a week till we got bored of the joke and then forgot about it.

Years later (90's) I recognized him in a photo in searchlight. He was up in Manchester organizing something with gays.
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The guy was Chris Payne..
 
framed said:
Whit, nae kindle edition? Looks interesting, I think I'll order one of the second hand copies on offer. Cheers. :)
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I always thought you should do a book, maybe with a few articles from TAL or a TAL collection (like The End book) with a few your own and others stories thrown in?
 
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