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Beating the Fascists: The authorised history of Anti-Fascist Action

love detective said:
Look, i don't know how many times I can repeat the same point - Carter Ruck have said in a legal 'cease & desist' letter that you told them things that here you deny you told them (yet claim if you had told them you would be justified in doing so)

That you go ballistic at me for pointing out what has been said about you by a firm of lawyers is absurd - if it's a lie, then take it up with them not me. If it's the truth then stop blaming me for it
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I am taking it up with them too......because I definately did not name the authors...and at the risk of me getting a coronary....how would I fucking know who were the authors...educated guesses dont get you results when lawyer types are involved ....it would have been guesswork pure and simple...
I named the authors of BTF...come on and even in my frustration where I say that their a bunch of cunts for reasons stated previously HOW WOULD I KNOW...:rolleyes: derrrrrrrr
 
cantsin said:
I dont follow this spat full time, am sure I've missed loads, and always thought there seemed to be points on both sides etc, certainly more so than pre the existence of this thread, when I would have only heard the RA response to NR.

But in this post you seem to have :
  • Tacitly admitted to handing over Anti fascists names and addresses to a law firm (WTF ?)
  • Tried to justify that in the context of the political online flack you suffered after NR
  • Made the ridiculous claim that as limelight seeking hoolies put their name to their books ( normally ensuring they dont self incriminate/grass others for anything that hasnt already gone before the courts etc ) , the authors of a book that details legally sensitive political direct action should follow suit / "be the big men"
  • Yet again dragged up the IWCA vs Lab liars law suit that has been dealt with repeatedly and openly by those involved
Sounds v shabby - Time to turn it in ?
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Marcus Aurelius: "Commodous is not a moral man..."

Commodous: "But I have other virtues..."
 
bignose1 said:
In my opinion if you are prepared to write a book about your(AFA) experiences then authenticate it with a legitimate authorship. Even more so when for the past 8 years the same people have continually undermined, lied. smeared and threatened those behind NR. Including the most foul behaviour towards Dave Hanns family. A dirty sick episode carried out by those said people who are now crying foul...
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After two years of claim and counter claim on here a freshly minted allegation - can there even be one hitherto dupable fence-sitter left who believes a single word of it?
 
malatesta32 said:
brilliant thanks butchers! i am 'at the but n ben' redrafting the 1st half (pre-war europe) the now and this is well helpful. spent a fortune on amazon with some pretty dismal returns! i have managed to sieve out most of the key events from it all tho and am pretty pleased with the progress.
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Are you gonna put your real name to it though? ;)
 
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What about not wanting to get involved in lengthy personal spats?
 
Joe Reilly said:
This thread is called 'Beating the Fascists'. Which is the name of the book about the campaign by AFA against the NF,BNP, B&H C18 and so forth. The sole purpose of the book was to set the record stratight and point to the lessons that can be learned from it.

But how can anyone learn anything if they don't know who or what to believe?

Which is the singular purpose of Big Nose's involvement on here: to smear the lens; to muddy the waters. A score draw is the best he can hope for. 'Constructive criticism and analysis' is not his forte.

So when he say he makes an allegation that AFA used gangsters to drive him out of politics - you have nothing to say. But it is only when the accusation is rebutted you feel obliged to describe it as 'bickering'.

Presumably, all of his many assertions can stand unchallenged as far as your concerned?

And when he states that it was AFA and not the BNP that threw in the towel, that too should left lie - 'whatever the rights or wrongs behind it?'

You may think the past is history. But, as your own little contribution illustrates, the past isn't even passed.
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Good reply, unsurprisingly.

Bit of a dance with exaggeration there, bignose1 has been challenged for about 300 hundred fucking pages, i was just pointing out what still stands, it's currently about 5 people - ex-comrades who've fallen out arguing over the messy details. Obviously it's pretty hard not to be fairly swayed by the various posts you and others have made, especially when bignose1 sort-of-maybe-not admits handing over peoples' names to law firms and stuff.

What chilango posted about generally the ongoing bun not really changing minds still rings true though, nothing much has changed in my head really, it's just a bit of a sorry state really, if setting the record straight means turning it into a decade long argument that excludes all but about 10 people from any meaningful or interesting input then fuck it IMO.

The passed might not be passed but the decade long public beef is pretty passed it.
 
bignose1 said:
Like what you say on this matter bothers me....whats your track record....another tosser hiding behind anonymity....who are all you dirt dishing faceless twats..
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So you'd prefer to judge us on what we've done instead of being judged yourself on what you say. given what you've posted I can quite understand why that is.
 
Pickman's model said:
So you'd prefer to judge us on what we've done instead of being judged yourself on what you say. given what you've posted I can quite understand why that is.
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Listen Pickmans Model...you jump on me...I dont even know you...and start passing judgement on me. I ask you who you are and what youve done so I can get a picture who Im dealing with and that in some way will determine my response. You seem to think its all right for you to slaughter me gratuitously with the likes of O'Shea though who I might add has some unsavoury items in his 'past' locker. I cant see why its such a difficult concept to grasp. It could be akin to joey barton calling Pele a shit player...The only people who call me a cunt these days are those from that period. I am a very popular well respected and highly regarded twat up here. Work it out.
 
chilango said:
Bignose. You don't help yourself with posts like this.
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Sure none of this is truly inspiring stuff but there is a shitstorm brewing with these twats and I know what they are trying to do...they did it with Dave. It wont work..they are washed up and reading what they say....in particular Joe Reilly....(a complex guy my arse)...He is a particularly nasty unpleasant bully whose recent 'take' on the anti fascist/racism picture is shameful. Not because of his personal poisonous attack dog ways but because of his utterly indefensible pampering to racist ideas.
 
malatesta32 said:
no, what is it chap? does it have owt do with soccer?
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It does have a lot to do with soccer unfortunately Mal...as its a bit of an anti-fash ultras jamboree with music & politics and a fair bit of slurp. Check out the Schalke/Fortuna 'Spider Juice' ...courtesy of Conehead and Maier...and youll find out why its called that!!
 
SpineyNorman said:
Are you gonna put your real name to it though? ;)
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no, for 2 reasons. first being that the blog had has 10s of 1,000s of hits and the pieces have been circulated widely by others so the name is well known now and 2, i dont want eejits turning up at the door freaking the hamsters out.
 
bignose1 said:
Listen Pickmans Model...you jump on me...I dont even know you...and start passing judgement on me. I ask you who you are and what youve done so I can get a picture who Im dealing with and that in some way will determine my response. You seem to think its all right for you to slaughter me gratuitously with the likes of O'Shea though who I might add has some unsavoury items in his 'past' locker. I cant see why its such a difficult concept to grasp. It could be akin to joey barton calling Pele a shit player...The only people who call me a cunt these days are those from that period. I am a very popular well respected and highly regarded twat up here. Work it out.
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fucking get over yourself! you make hundreds of posts on a fucking bulletin board which any cunt with google can read, of course people are going to have some views on you. :rolleyes:

if i've chosen not to post a biography on here, it's because i don't want to. i'm not going to change that just because your feelings are aggrieved. my view of you's based on your posts, not on what you're like off the boards.
 
Pickman's model said:
fucking get over yourself! you make hundreds of posts on a fucking bulletin board which any cunt with google can read, of course people are going to have some views on you. :rolleyes:

if i've chosen not to post a biography on here, it's because i don't want to. i'm not going to change that just because your feelings are aggrieved. my view of you's based on your posts, not on what you're like off the boards.
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Cop out...imo your views on me are based on prejudice and I ask who you are because it matters to me in the context of another character assasination that is underway. I actually rate you and enjoy your posts and deep down I dont think your a twat but please perhaps see my point of view when it appears people are lining up to slaughter me. I had/have a decent legacy in the movement..sure made some mistakes but dont judge me on the basis of the twatty things some ex RA comrades say.
 
bignose1 said:
Cop out...imo your views on me are based on prejudice and I ask who you are because it matters to me in the context of another character assasination that is underway. I actually rate you and enjoy your posts and deep down I dont think your a twat but please perhaps see my point of view when it appears people are lining up to slaughter me. I had/have a decent legacy in the movement..sure made some mistakes but dont judge me on the basis of the twatty things some ex RA comrades say.
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chilango said:
Bignose. You don't help yourself with posts like this.
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...or this.

bignose1 said:
Sure none of this is truly inspiring stuff but there is a shitstorm brewing with these twats and I know what they are trying to do...they did it with Dave. It wont work..they are washed up and reading what they say....in particular Joe Reilly....(a complex guy my arse)...He is a particularly nasty unpleasant bully whose recent 'take' on the anti fascist/racism picture is shameful. Not because of his personal poisonous attack dog ways but because of his utterly indefensible pampering to racist ideas.
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Seriously?

I'll say this again in the no doubt vain hope that you'll wind it in.

People who were around at the time have already long made their minds up regarding this affair.

Those that weren't are not going to look upon you sympathetically if you're chucking abuse around and "yelling" at people to post up their names and track records.

In fact, if it wasn't for that fact that your backstory is largely in the open here you'd come across as well dodgy and best avoided if judged solely on some of your posts on this thread.

Ironically it is somewhat fortunate that Joe et al's attacks on you do at least give you a degree of credibility, albeit a tainted one.

...and yes, I know this spat isn't one sided and that Joe, LD etc are posting in it too. But I'll say this. You come across a lot worse than they do if judging solely from the tone of your posts. Just a tuppence of an observation, feel free to ignore it.
 
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