ska invita
back on the other side
How are they doing that?
Batley and Spen by-election
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belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
Hmm, when did we last hear that? It is the eternal mantra of the party. Unless a lefty leader gets in in which case it’s all out war.
There is a vague chance he could recover, this has been a somewhat unusual year and a half after all. But it’s unlikely in the best of circumstances and impossible unless he actually makes a stand on something.
lazythursday
Averagely-Known Member
A bit flabbergasted at this to be honest. His leadership has been one long series of mis-steps and fuckups (and attacks on members in many parts of the country, such as Liverpool) and somehow the situation is the members fault? There's not really even that much evidence of a big members' revolt or anything at the moment, so am struggling to see how you can interpret events in that way.
Guineveretoo
Mostly bewildered
Does it not feel like all out war within the party now?
And, btw, I said very similar stuff when Corbyn was leader - I thought it was wrong to undermine him and to try and oust him, and I voted for him twice.
Guineveretoo
Mostly bewildered
I am not saying that he is faultless, but he is the elected leader of the Labour Party and we need to get behind him. That is not happening, at least not universally, and there is quite a lot of organising to call a vote of no confidence in him, which is, I think, unhelpful.
But this is probably not the thread for that kind of detailed discussion...
Sorry to have flabbergasted you, although I don't really know why. Do you think I am some knowledgeable party activist rather than an anonymous urban poster who doesn't know very much about anything?
ska invita
back on the other side
I've lost track of all Starmers crap but Member Suspensions/Forde Report Burial/ Corbyns suspension immediately breaking the findings of the EHRC report/Starmers Zionism/Pathetic FlagShagging/Capitulation to the Tories on Everything/Sucking Nick Ferarris stinking cock/taking a sole principled stand against raising Corporation Tax/Bringing Back Mandelson/Cleary Attempting to Kill of the Left in Labour/Winning the Leadership on Lies.... I just want to see him and his lose and lose in devastating fashion.
The expression Dont Vote It Just Encourages Them has rarely been truer
The expression Dont Vote It Just Encourages Them has rarely been truer
lazythursday
Averagely-Known Member
Well perhaps you are more knowledgeable than me about the no-confidence organising. I just don't think the problems on display at the moment in Labour are characterised mainly by disunity or member complaints. That just seems an odd way of looking at it.
tim
EXPLODED TIM! (Help me!!!)
The membership are the party, aren't they? He doesn't even to be that popular on the Right of the party. He's their Ian Dunkirk Smith.
Anyway, the right haven't finished cleansing the party of lefties and destroying any CLPs which show signs of independent thought yet.
Starmer will get his just as soon as the bureaucracy have full control of the withered husk of whatever is left.
Starmer will get his just as soon as the bureaucracy have full control of the withered husk of whatever is left.
andysays
Love and solidarity
She's only been an MP for a couple of years, I think.
One to watch for the future, hopefully, but not seriously in the running if Starmer falls or gets thrown under a bus after B&S.
magneze
🎧
Doesn't the leader need to provide something to get behind? I'm not saying it's all on him, but fundamentally he leads the effort to provide 'something' in this area, no?
strung out
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Trevor Bastard strikes again
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
I have seen his current deputy being touted as a replacement. P;lease, pretty please.
For comparison, by-elections in 2015-17:
Oldham West & Royton - Lab hold, 62.1% (+7.3)
Sheffield Brightside & Hillsborough - Lab hold, 62.4% (+5.9)
Ogmore - Lab hold, 52.6% (-0.3)
Tooting - Lab hold, 55.9% (+8.7)
Batley & Spen - Lab hold, 85.8% (essentially uncontested so swing fairly meaningless)
Witney - Con hold, Lab 15% (-2.2)
Richmond Park - LD gain, Lab 3.67% (-8.67)
It wasn't until Copeland in February 2017 that Labour had a truly disastrous by-election under Corbyn when a loss of 4.9% of vote share saw them lose the seat to the Tories. Stoke-on-Trent Central on the same day saw a decline in vote share of 2.2% but a relatively easy hold which masked the split in opposition vote between UKIP and the Tories
Oldham West & Royton - Lab hold, 62.1% (+7.3)
Sheffield Brightside & Hillsborough - Lab hold, 62.4% (+5.9)
Ogmore - Lab hold, 52.6% (-0.3)
Tooting - Lab hold, 55.9% (+8.7)
Batley & Spen - Lab hold, 85.8% (essentially uncontested so swing fairly meaningless)
Witney - Con hold, Lab 15% (-2.2)
Richmond Park - LD gain, Lab 3.67% (-8.67)
It wasn't until Copeland in February 2017 that Labour had a truly disastrous by-election under Corbyn when a loss of 4.9% of vote share saw them lose the seat to the Tories. Stoke-on-Trent Central on the same day saw a decline in vote share of 2.2% but a relatively easy hold which masked the split in opposition vote between UKIP and the Tories
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
Well, as quite a number of members here felt that Corbyn wasn't left enough, I really don't see that happening.
Guineveretoo
Mostly bewildered
I didn't necessarily mean people on here, when I said "we"
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
andysays
Love and solidarity
I assumed from the context that Guineveretoo is a member of the Labour party, and was using "we" to refer to other members of the party.Ah, the regnal 'We'.
Nothing wrong with that, unless you're finding fault for the sake of it
Calling for members of the Labour Party to 'get behind' the leader - especially when there's blood in the water - is as futile an endeavour now as it was when Corbyn was in charge. Barely seems worth even attempting it tbh - this isn't a quarrel between friends who've fallen out over something insignificant: there as substantial, insurmountable differences between the factions. They will never get behind the leader.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
It feels much less like war than two or five years ago. It’s definitely being held back by a ‘what else can he do till covid’s over’ attitude. If he doesn’t sort his shit our then, he’ll be getting it from all dudes at five times the rate.
the problem with getting behind him now is that there is fuck all to get behind.
RileyOBlimey
Well-Known Member
Starmer’s history demonstrates he’s empty of conviction and decency. He’s a company man. With Mandelson having apparent influence we all know how corrupting that is. Starmer’s messaging is patronising to the working class and unpalatable for the middle class. They’re clearly rejuvinating Mandelson’s theory of Labour voters have no where else to go. This is aiding the Tory vote which increasingly suggests that’s the ultimate goal.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Not having physical clp meetings must contribute to that feeling?
Kevbad the Bad
Amiable Bowel Syndrome
Nearly all the Labour Party members that I know who have not already left the party are either a) considering leaving, b) voting Green or summat else in any election that comes along, temporarily as a protest, c) not voting as a similar protest or d) reluctantly toeing the party line. No enthusiasm for Starmer whatsoever. Labour can't carry on without a complete change of leadership, a complete change of the parliamentary party or a complete change of membership. Or all three.
andysays
Love and solidarity
To be clear, I was commenting solely on the use of the word "we" which sass seemed to have a problem with.
I doesn't mean I agree with the point Guineveretoo was making, because I don't.
