I'm sure you've seen and dismissed and ignored all the evidence already
Avoiding meat and dairy is ‘single biggest way’ to reduce your impact on Earth
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Children put on a vegan diet by their parents have stunted growth and weak bones:
Growth, body composition, and cardiovascular and nutritional risk of 5- to 10-y-old children consuming vegetarian, vegan, or omnivore diets - PubMed
Vegan diets were associated with a healthier cardiovascular risk profile but also with increased risk of nutritional deficiencies and lower BMC and height. Vegetarians showed less pronounced nutritional deficiencies but, unexpectedly, a less favorable cardiometabolic risk profile. Further...pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
That is a TINY sample size!
In the intro they say "comprehensive evidence on the health effects of PBDs [plant based diets] in children remains incomplete, particularly in vegans.".
In the conclusion they say "Further research may help maximize the benefits of PBDs in children."
Seems like they acknowledge that not enough is known and this study adds little other than to highlight the lack of knowledge.
Meanwhile lots of kids eating meat suffer malnutrition, as do some who are veggie/vegan. Equally, with knowledge and resources it's entirely possible to raise healthy kids on a meat or plant based diet, as humans have been doing for some time.
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Saul Goodman
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All the evidence that meat is bad for you and its quality has gone downhill since Brexit? I think you may be talking bollocks, but I'm open to pursuasion, if you'd care to point me to this evidence you speak of.
Jeff Robinson
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Plant-based diets associated with a 73% reduced risk of developing moderate-to-severe COVID-19 symptoms.
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The first zero emissions dairy farm wins €2 million prize
..Cork farm
..Cork farm
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Good luck scaling that up to the mega-dairy producers.
Its the world's first. And its not a small farm.
Its to be extended to 5000 other farms.
lazythursday
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I don't see how processed food is required for veganism. I (mainly plant based but not 100% vegan) do eat far too much processed food but in the past I've had phases of pretty much total wholefood vegan diet. I wouldn't really count something like tofu or tempeh as 'processed' - not any more than cheese is anyway. And the supplement argument does miss out the fact that everyone in this country eats a fair amount of supplements - either through wheat products, which are supplemented by law, or through vitamins and minerals fed to animals before they end up on your plate.
lazythursday
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It's aiming to be a net zero dairy farm. It hasn't achieved it yet by the looks of it. Struggling to find much real detail about how it will be achieved - such as how much land is required. In any case net zero really makes fuck all sense at the level of a farm. It will still be creating greenhouse gases however they claim to minimise and offset it.
l'Otters
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I went vegan a decade or two ago. The proliferation of vegan versions of absolutely everything is helpful for some things, but in my case it’s been mostly so I can sometimes eat a vegan version of something highly processed and unhealthy as a treat.
I can see the value of all this stuff for making transitions if you’re changing diet & lifestyle after a lifetime of eating meat and dairy.
I don’t know why anyone would expect a highly processed and excessively packaged plant based version of whatever meat or dairy product to be environmentally friendly.
For the most part I eat stuff like lentils, rice, beans, tofu & vegetables. I have stuff like vegan chocolate, cheese or ice cream as an occasional treat. The fake meat stuff turns my stomach.
I can see the value of all this stuff for making transitions if you’re changing diet & lifestyle after a lifetime of eating meat and dairy.
I don’t know why anyone would expect a highly processed and excessively packaged plant based version of whatever meat or dairy product to be environmentally friendly.
For the most part I eat stuff like lentils, rice, beans, tofu & vegetables. I have stuff like vegan chocolate, cheese or ice cream as an occasional treat. The fake meat stuff turns my stomach.
Its technically a 4 farms co-op over a large area. And they have been working with UCC. They have projected to reach zero emissions by 2027..
It think it's a huge step in the right direction for dairy farming in Ireland
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Compared to the farms, or rather mega factories where most of the world's dairy is produced, it is very much a small farm.
lazythursday
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what do they mean, zero emissions? Are they going to stop the cows from emitting methane?
I'm sure what they are doing is good, and it would be great if we had a vastly smaller dairy industry operating on these principles. But without a doubt, that is what it would be, a much smaller industry with overall people consuming much less dairy.
The article says they are growing all sorts of heathers and clovers and plants for the cattle which seem to produce a lot less methane than grass.
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Why do you think mega farms/factories predominantly took over from small farms in the first place?
JimW
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Only specifically vegan processed food I eat is sausages just because I still like sausage and mash, otherwise not taken a supplement in almost thirty years of plant diet, still ideal weight for my height etc. Bash vitamin C if I feel a cold coming on is all I can think of bar marmite, and not that for years as it's not easy to get here.
Athos
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Correlation rather than causation. Vegans probably having fewer social contacts - not invited to parties, pub, barbecues etc.
We dont really have mega farms here.
But I suspect money has driven the huge farms in other countries.
I think it certainly will be good for Irish emissions and the environment. There's a big push to let the countryside become more and more "wild" and replant varieties of herbs and wild flowers etc that were common and flourished in the past.
It may seem like a drop in the ocean but it also will hopefully show that it is possible to reach zero emissions on these 4 farms and hopefully another 4000 farms.
lazythursday
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Again, sounds like a good thing - but less methane is not zero methane.
This does sound like a decent enough project and thankfully doesn't seem to be making lots of claims about cattle locking up carbon in the soil (which is hugely controversial with little evidence) - but we can't make dairy farming sustainable unless it is also a much much smaller industry. A big part of the reason for that is the amount of land needed to reach net zero in other areas of the economy - there will just be less space for cows.
Yes...aa regards space I think this particular group have a lot of space. As you'll see in the video the cows are very much free range and have a lot of space.
ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
Why do you come to that conclusion?
Yossarian
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Vegans tend to have more energy for social engagements in the evening than people still digesting gutbuster burgers, tbf.
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Ah, the old slice of belittling bigotry, Nice one!
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1,000+ cows is pretty sizeable.
Ireland’s largest dairy farm installs latest Dairymaster technology
Dairy cows have been fitted with the MooMonitor+ on the Browne family farm at Greenhils, Killeagh, Co Cork.
Im vegan, have been for 7 years this month.
I very rarely eat processed foods and don't take any supplements. I'm on disability benefits and live well on a tight budget.
I do put engevita yeast powder on many of my meals (does that count as processed?) though cos it's yummy.
I am tested for vitamin and mineral deficiencies annually - have always passed with flying colours.
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Millions of meat eaters shovel down plenty of processed foods too.
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