Avoiding meat and dairy is ‘single biggest way’ to reduce your impact on Earth

[ddraig]

No, I put it in the bin. An act of civic responsibility which is negated, along with that of many others, when waste disposal services dump their trash on developing countries. See what I mean about production?

Why bother then?

 

[NoXion]

Why bother then?

I don't like living in filth, and putting my rubbish in the bin is a good way of contributing to that. Makes my community more attractice which is nice, but doesn't solve the systemic problem.

 

[ddraig]

I don't like living in filth, and putting my rubbish in the bin is a good way of contributing to that. Makes my community more attractice which is nice, but doesn't solve the systemic problem.

"I don't like animals dying for food, a good way to avoid that is not to eat them. Keeps the animals alive which is nice, but doesn't solve the larger problem of animal exploitation for profit."
But at least I am not contributing to it...

 

[editor]

I think people are just aware of the utterly rank hypocrisy of lecturing the plebs about eating meat, while allowing massive corporations to do things like continue mining and burning coal, dodging their responsibilities through "carbon trading", and greenwashing.

Good to stop all the vile cruelty and abuse in the meat industry though.

 

[NoXion]

I'm fine with animals dying for food. Pretty hard to eat an animal without killing it first, I would have thought. But I thought this thread was about the environmental impact of meat production, not one's opinions about the ethics of killing animals for food?

 

[Spymaster]

I don't like living in filth, and putting my rubbish in the bin is a good way of contributing to that. Makes my community more attractice which is nice, but doesn't solve the systemic problem.

The "do you drop rubbish in the street" thing is a puerile comparison.

We don't, because there is an immediate benefit to not doing so, and we don't need to give-up or miss out on anything to dispose of the rubbish properly. If we had to travel 10 miles to dump every piece of rubbish we had and massive businesses came and dumped a load of rubbish on our street every night anyway, we wouldn't bother disposing of that fag packet properly. That's a far more reasonable comparison.

 

[editor]

I'm fine with animals dying for food. Pretty hard to eat an animal without killing it first, I would have thought. But I thought this thread was about the environmental impact of meat production, not one's opinions about the ethics of killing animals for food?

That wasn't the point I made though, was it? Unless you're fine with the vile cruelty and abuse in the meat industry which was the point I made.

And it was you who just veered the thread off topic going on about the predictable 'hypocrisy' and coal mining blah blah blah.

 

[NoXion]

That wasn't the point I made though, was it? Unless you're fine with the vile cruelty and abuse in the meat industry which was the point I made.

And it was you who just veered the thread off topic going on about the predictable 'hypocrisy' and coal mining blah blah blah.

I'm fine with the death, not the abuse and the cruelty, none of which is necessary to the process. My abstaining from meat again runs into the same problem as mentioned with waste disposal; my personal actions as an individual do not address the wider systemic problem.

That's the "off topic" bit you're choosing to ignore.

 

[ddraig]

I'm fine with the death, not the abuse and the cruelty, none of which is necessary to the process. My abstaining from meat again runs into the same problem as mentioned with waste disposal; my personal actions as an individual do not address the wider systemic problem.

That's the "off topic" bit you're choosing to ignore.

Is it not cruel to kill an animal for your plate when you could eat something else?

 

[NoXion]

Is it not cruel to kill an animal for your plate when you could eat something else?

I don't think so. I am excited by the prospect of cultured meat, then it wouldn't even be necessary to rear and slaughter an entire organism, just grow and harvest the organs and tissues. I think there are good reasons to believe that such a process can be made more efficient and less environmentally impactful than conventional animal husbandry.

 

[ddraig]

I don't think so. I am excited by the prospect of cultured meat, then it wouldn't even be necessary to rear and slaughter an entire organism, just grow and harvest the organs and tissues. I think there are good reasons to believe that such a process can be made more efficient and less environmentally impactful than conventional animal husbandry.

But you'll keep sating yourself on killed animals til then, well done you
If I see a cat in the street and kill it, is that not cruel? Or is it "different" for your food because someone else does the killing and you don't see it?

 

[Spymaster]

I am excited by the prospect of cultured meat ...

Ewww, no thanks. I want my meat raised as naturally as possible and preferably shot to death. The cruelty thing is relative. If we accept, as many millions of people do, that an element of animal suffering is acceptable for our needs, convenience, or pleasure, it simply becomes a matter of degree. That's going to be down to individuals/.

 

[Spymaster]

Do you eat street cats, Nox?

 

[Pickman's model]

Ewww, no thanks. I want my meat raised as naturally as possible and preferably shot to death. The cruelty thing is relative. If we accept, as many millions of people do, that an element of animal suffering is acceptable for our needs, convenience, or pleasure, it simply becomes a matter of degree. That's going to be down to individuals/.

seems to me the meat which best meets your criteria comes from long pig, many of which have experienced years of family nurturing before being brought to your plate

 

[NoXion]

But you'll keep sating yourself on killed animals til then, well done you
If I see a cat in the street and kill it, is that not cruel? Or is it "different" for your food because someone else does the killing and you don't see it?

It's different because the animals I eat have been specifically bred and reared for the purpose. I'm not randomly killing someone's beloved pet I encounter on the street.

Ewww, no thanks. I want my meat raised as naturally as possible and preferably shot to death.

So you only eat hunted game?

 

[editor]

I'm fine with the death, not the abuse and the cruelty, none of which is necessary to the process.

But is absolutely part of the process.

 

[platinumsage]

The notion that meat eaters who kill their own food are somehow morally superior to those who don't is absurd.

I bet most veggies shit, yet never participate in sewerage cleaning, preferring to sensibly leave that to the professionals.

 

[Spymaster]

So you only eat hunted game?

No, of course not. That's just my preference where possible.

 

[Spymaster]

It's different because the animals I eat have been specifically bred and reared for the purpose. I'm not randomly killing someone's beloved pet I encounter on the street

Indeed.

Comparing killing somone's pet in the street with killing a farmed animal for food!

 

[ddraig]

It's different because the animals I eat have been specifically bred and reared for the purpose. I'm not randomly killing someone's beloved pet I encounter on the street.



So you only eat hunted game?

And the mass breeding and abuse for profit is fine with you then, gotcha!
People have pigs as pets you know, depends where you draw the line between animals and pets to justify your choices

 

[Pickman's model]

Indeed.

Comparing killing somone's pet in the street with killing a farmed animal for food!

i'm sure it happens, you dander down a suburban road when a dog runs out, your stomach growls and of course you have to batter and barbeque it.

 

[Spymaster]

i'm sure it happens, you dander down a suburban road when a dog runs out, your stomach growls and of course you have to batter and barbeque it.

Or someone's pet pig sneaks up behind you when you're coming home from work.

Boom!

 

[Pickman's model]

Or someone's pet pig sneaks up behind you when you're coming home from work.

Boom!

so that is what happened a year back. that explains a lot.

 

[NoXion]

And the mass breeding and abuse for profit is fine with you then, gotcha!

Do you consume any recreational drugs? Booze? Anything you enjoy which isn't essential. Can you guarantee that any of it was entirely produced according to ethical standards you approve of? Since they're made by profit-seeking entities, I doubt it. What's so special about meat?

People have pigs as pets you know, depends where you draw the line between animals and pets to justify your choices

I am aware. If a pig is someone's pet, it would be wrong to kill it.

 

[platinumsage]

There are plenty of YouTube videos of e.g. "cute cat plays with his best friend the duck". Cats also eat ducks. It's possible to treat different animals differently depending on your relationship with them.

 

[ddraig]

Do you consume any recreational drugs? Booze? Anything you enjoy which isn't essential. Can you guarantee that any of it was entirely produced according to ethical standards you approve of? Since they're made by profit-seeking entities, I doubt it. What's so special about meat?



I am aware. If a pig is someone's pet, it would be wrong to kill it.

Seriously?
Do drugs and booze have eyes, a pulse and bleed? fuck sake!
Ah so your hypocritical pet/animal line is moveable to suit yourself, well done for admitting
Nice attempt at whattaboutery there too, been done a shitload of times on this thread already, yawn

 

[ddraig]

There are plenty of YouTube videos of e.g. "cute cat plays with his best friend the duck". Cats also eat ducks. It's possible to treat different animals differently depending on your relationship with them.

The cat is a predator and doesn't have the options humans do
Keep moving them goalposts!

 

[NoXion]

Seriously?
Do drugs and booze have eyes, a pulse and bleed? fuck sake!

No. But the people involved in their production and distribution do, however. As do the people impacted by such activities.

Ah so your hypocritical pet/animal line is moveable to suit yourself, well done for admitting

I rather think that me not randomly killing folks' pets benefits the both the animals and their owners, but suit yourself.

Nice attempt at whattaboutery there too, been done a shitload of times on this thread already, yawn

And it's always met with deflection and poor arguments. Again I ask, what is so special about meat?

 

[platinumsage]

The cat is a predator and doesn't have the options humans do
Keep moving them goalposts!

So it's a lifestyle choice, rather than a moral imperative?

 

[ddraig]

No. But the people involved in their production and distribution do, however. As do the people impacted by such activities.



I rather think that me not randomly killing folks' pets benefits the both the animals and their owners, but suit yourself.



And it's always met with deflection and poor arguments. Again I ask, what is so special about meat?

No, you would or wouldn't eat something depending on whether they were someone's pet or not, transparent