Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Small Worlds Consulting is the company that the author is a director of. He's basically quoting his own figures.
Avoiding meat and dairy is ‘single biggest way’ to reduce your impact on Earth
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Starry Wisdom
yeh. but then if you have a further look then you'll find small world consulting, and their publications page links to a range of resources from one of which i imagine the figures derive. or it might have come via the vegan society Carbon Food Calculator
8ball
Decolonise colons!
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
Well the first one I looked at had lamb at 15.53 compared to beef's 25.13, a difference to the above table surely not explained by the contribution of New Zealand lamb to the UK diet.
This differeing set of figures is lifted from a 2008 DEFRA study to which is attached some explanation:
"This study is reporting a much greater energy use, per tonne of meat delivered to the RDC, from the slaughter and processing of lambs than of cattle. The difference arises primarily from requirement for electricity for lamb slaughter and processing which, at 19.0 kWh/head is only c. 25% less than that required for cattle (25.5 kWh/hd) even though cattle may weigh up to 15 times more. However, the processing of lambs is more energy intensive. Total energy use for the primary processing of pork has estimated to be 8.5 GJ/t (including transport to the slaughter house and packaging) compared with our total of 14.5 GJ/t including transport and packaging). However, energy requirements for processing pork will be less as the hides are not removed.
Lamb meat is a commodity for which allocation of burdens is particularly important. Lamb meat is the main output, but mutton is an inevitable co-product that is nutritionally sound, but out of fashion in the UK. Wool is also produced and the NZ flock produces more wool per ewe than UK sheep (5 and 3 kg respectively annually). Economic valuation is the most rational way of allocating disparate burdens and was used here in pre farm gate analysis. Different data sources were examined and both MAF and the Meat & Wool New Zealand Economic Service provided data on the relative value of carcasses and the price of wool per kg in NZ. EBLEX record data on UK lamb meat prices and live cull ewe prices and the wool price is publically accessible. Some judgement was needed to resolve disparate data and it was assumed that wool is worth more in NZ as are mutton carcasses. This led to using allocations of all burdens of 64% and 74% for NZ and the UK respectively. It is considered that this subject requires an analysis of the partition of energy and protein partitioning to provide a sounder physiological basis for such allocations..
The largest source of GWP pre farm gate, was enteric fermentation in both the UK and NZ. The greater GWP arising from grazing in the UK was due to the greater amounts of fertilizer-N applied to UK pastures. The large energy input needed to process lamb, in comparison with other meats, lead to processing being the largest source of GWP in both countries. Transport, either to the UK or within the UK, gave rise to most of the rest of the GWP arising post farm gate."
So buying minimally processed whole lamb legs from unfertilized hill farms is probably better than eating mushrooms
lazythursday
Averagely-Known Member
I've definitely read studies that have said quite the opposite about UK hill farmed lamb - that it is particularly carbon intensive. I'll see if I can dig them out.
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Starry Wisdom
he's spluttering into his wine as we speak, he demands animal products in everything he consumes.Not to deliberately wind up Spy or anything.
8ball
Decolonise colons!
ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
Pardon??Spy has released the Kraken - you were warned, PM!
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Fuck knows where he came from or what he's on about but it's always fun to have him around!Spy has released the Kraken - you were warned, PM!
ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
do you know what this means pickers? seeing as you've liked itSpy has released the Kraken - you were warned, PM!
ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
You post all day everyday and you can't/won't answer?Spy has released the Kraken - you were warned, PM!
Why won't you explain your weird cryptic post? Who have I been warned by and what about and why are you saying this?
And if you can't/won't explain why fucking post it in the first place?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
pickers will have no idea what you're talking aboutdo you know what this means pickers? seeing as you've liked it
8ball
Decolonise colons!
I'd guess that part of it is to do with each one having enough gubbins in it to make a baby bird.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
to keep the chick cosy
8ball
Decolonise colons!
Lower per unit weight. Could be that making the pre-assembly chicken is more energy intensive than fattening up a chicken, but it’s a good point.
Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
Congratations. You're officially the frothiest vegan here.
Vegans don't froth. The milks not upto it.
Avoiding meat and dairy may be the single biggest way to reduce your impact but promoting a plant based die is the most unpopular of 18 options to combat climate change. UN global climate poll: ‘The people’s voice is clear – they want action’
ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
That's because people have to actually think about their consumption, take some responsibility, do stuff and change their ways.
If they can farm out their responsibilities for the environment to others they can carry on as they want
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
I think people are just aware of the utterly rank hypocrisy of lecturing the plebs about eating meat, while allowing massive corporations to do things like continue mining and burning coal, dodging their responsibilities through "carbon trading", and greenwashing.
Why the fuck should we be the ones to change our ways, when the people with the power and the money, you know, the ones actually responsible for the fucking mess in the first place, tell us to do one thing while enabling and indulging in the opposite?
This consumer-focused approach to environmentalism, rather than production-focused, is a neoliberal blind alley.
Why the fuck should we be the ones to change our ways, when the people with the power and the money, you know, the ones actually responsible for the fucking mess in the first place, tell us to do one thing while enabling and indulging in the opposite?
This consumer-focused approach to environmentalism, rather than production-focused, is a neoliberal blind alley.
ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
Do you chuck your rubbish in the street?
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
There is one thing that you can do that has an even bigger impact. 'They' hate the planet so much it was only decriminalised in 1961.
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
No, I put it in the bin. An act of civic responsibility which is negated, along with that of many others, when waste disposal services dump their trash on developing countries. See what I mean about production?
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