Saul Goodman
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Avoiding meat and dairy is ‘single biggest way’ to reduce your impact on Earth
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maomao
普費斯
It really is all the ten year old memes and shit jokes borrowed from crap films that make it so much more unbearable than all the other annoying cunts around here.
Saul Goodman
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existentialist
Tired and unemotional
People who call themselves vegetarians but eat fish really piss me off.
Because, thanks to them, and people like them, I tell someone I'm a vegetarian and they're like "but you eat fish, right? And white meat?" "No, the clue is in the name - I'm vegetarian - last time I looked, cod wasn't a fucking vegetable" "Oh. What about prawns, though?" "I'll get my own food, thanks".
Cos, y'know, to these people, steak is probably fucking FRUIT
Saul Goodman
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cybershot
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The simple formula to cut your diet’s carbon footprint
With food accounting for about 26 percent of the global carbon footprint, we need to make changes to what we eat in order to achieve being ncarbon neutral by 2050. Horizon: Feast to Save the Planet look at the data.
www.bbc.co.uk
Also a link to the program in the article for those that pay a uk tv license.
Jeff Robinson
Marxist-Lentilist: Jackboots and Jackfruit
I don't blame you, I have him him on ignore but I'd wager he's denying basic science as well as justifying torturing, sexually abusing and slaughtering animals so he can stuff his greedy face with their body parts and bodily secretions. What a cunt.
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hiraethified
Meat right at the top of the pile, as expected.The simple formula to cut your diet’s carbon footprint
With food accounting for about 26 percent of the global carbon footprint, we need to make changes to what we eat in order to achieve being ncarbon neutral by 2050. Horizon: Feast to Save the Planet look at the data.www.bbc.co.uk
Also a link to the program in the article for those that pay a uk tv license.
KG C02e PER KG PRODUCE
| Quorn | 4.0 |
| Mushrooms (UK produced | 4.1 |
| Scottish salmon (fresh, farmed) | 4.1 |
| Cod (caught in UK) | 4.1 |
| Cod (shipped from Iceland) | 4.4 |
| Baby plum tomatoes (hothoused in UK) | 4.6 |
| Tinned tuna | 5.3 |
| Cream (British) | 5.9 |
| Whole chicken (global average) | 8.1 |
| Butter (British) | 9.8 |
| Bacon (UK produced) | 10 |
| Mozzarella (UK produced) | 10.1 |
| Mozzarella (driven from Italy | 10.3 |
| Cheddar (UK produced) | 11.8 |
| Grapes (flown from South Africa) | 18.5 |
| Asparagus (flown from Peru) | 18.5 |
| Eggs (British) | 19.1 |
| Parmesan (driven from Italy) | 19.1 |
| Lamb (UK produced) | 21 |
| Tuna (flown from Seychelles) | 22 |
| Tiger prawns (farmed Thailand) | 25 |
| Beef (UK produced) | 25 |
| Tuna (flown from Seychelles) | 22 |
| Beef steak (imported from deforested land) | 83.3 |
8ball
Decolonise colons!
Bit surprised by cod and grapes (lower and higher respectively than I would have guessed). Wonder where broccoli, spuds and carrots fit in (am doing a lot of winter veggie soups at the mo)...
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hiraethified
UK Potatoes are 0.3, Broccoli is 0.7, I imagine carrots are going to be equally low.
Oatmeal milk has the lowest impact of everything listed at 0.2 (almond surprisingly only 0.6), while cows milks is much higher at 1.9.
8ball
Decolonise colons!
I've been trying to cut down on buying grapes and berries but not easy with a four year old who loves them. When I have to get them try to limit it to Europe or in a push North Africa which isn't easy at this time of year. One of the few foods primarily flown.
I think you posted a meta study a while ago that took into account more than just emissions but land use, water use and possibly another category. Almonds did worse on that.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
That's grapes flown over from South Africa. No surprise that flying stuff from the other side of the equator is going to be a bit lumpy CO2-wise. You've always got to be sceptical about charts like that and what metrics are used etc. Those ones regarding cheese driven from Italy look particularly dodgy. Northern Italy to London isn't much further than Lands End to Scotland, and that stuff won't be transported in ones and twos so there's definitely some artistic licence going on there somewhere.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Good to see psycho Jeff, as reasoned and measured as ever!
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8ball
Decolonise colons!
Ah, maybe I should look up blueberries - I eat loads of them...
8ball
Decolonise colons!
If you mean the Parmesan, there's no UK equivalent for that in that table, and mozzarella from Italy has a near-identical value to UK-produced stuff.
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hiraethified
I avoid almond milk but it seems that, by any criteria, they're still miles better for the environment than cow's milk. I've switched to oat milk now.
Most in the co-op come from Peru at the moment.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
That's the point. The chart goes out of its way to expose certain extremes whilst studiously ignoring stuff like soya derivatives from Brazil and the US, or tofu from the far east and the like. Nobody will argue that beef from Argentina is taking the piss but how much is actually imported ... etc, etc.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
and sainsbury's are from the other end of the earth too
8ball
Decolonise colons!
Hmmm, they grow them in Spain, so Peru isn't exactly optimal.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Why is UK lamb so high? Anyone know, I can't be arsed thinking too hard? The feed?
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
In the winter?
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
It costs more to rear apparently but that doesn't explain why New Zealand lamb is often cheaper than Welsh lamb in UK supermarkets. Amost certainly some profiteering going on somewhere but lamb's been expensive for as long as I can remember.
8ball
Decolonise colons!
Not my counter - ask a Spaniard.
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
Quad bike miles? Sheep dog food? Whistles? Wool composting?
It’s probably a flawed calculation. The BBC article above says the figures are based on “Small World's Food carbon models” but when I google that the only result is that BBC article!
ferrelhadley
There is no love between us anymore.
The metric should be in kilocalories not kilograms. Low calorie density foods (generally good for you) will come out poorer than calorie dense foods. That said it would not change any major food groups beyond improving the score of calorie poor, nutrient dense foods such as broccoli.
Those asking about lamb or beef. They are ruminants, they digest their foods in large anaerobic chambers that break down the cellulous, these tend to use methane producing bacteria to do the heavy lifting. Methane has a very high CO2e score, something like 100 times the radiative forcing of CO2 over 10 years. But for climate research they use the 100 year value that is closer to something like 12 times the CO2e of CO2 (it breaks down into CO2 rapidly so spends most of the 100 years as CO2 not CH4.
The simple basic story remains the same. Cut down on red meats and dairy as much as you can. Get your animal proteins from fish and poultry but cut them down as they have many other environmental effects.
Its not about going all in in a specific diet, its about cutting meats back to being treats not staples.
People should aim to increase their calorie poor nutrient dense foods stuffs, these tend to be high in fibre that most are missing from their diets. Broccoli, cauliflower, cabbage, carrots and other root vegetables. This will improve the health of the average and median UK person. The climate effects would be secondary but welcome.
Those asking about lamb or beef. They are ruminants, they digest their foods in large anaerobic chambers that break down the cellulous, these tend to use methane producing bacteria to do the heavy lifting. Methane has a very high CO2e score, something like 100 times the radiative forcing of CO2 over 10 years. But for climate research they use the 100 year value that is closer to something like 12 times the CO2e of CO2 (it breaks down into CO2 rapidly so spends most of the 100 years as CO2 not CH4.
The simple basic story remains the same. Cut down on red meats and dairy as much as you can. Get your animal proteins from fish and poultry but cut them down as they have many other environmental effects.
Its not about going all in in a specific diet, its about cutting meats back to being treats not staples.
People should aim to increase their calorie poor nutrient dense foods stuffs, these tend to be high in fibre that most are missing from their diets. Broccoli, cauliflower, cabbage, carrots and other root vegetables. This will improve the health of the average and median UK person. The climate effects would be secondary but welcome.
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