Assange to face extradition

[gosub]

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4 February at 20:14 ·

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I would have thought Mr Assange could run it himself, he's got nothing else to do

 

[danny la rouge]

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Justice for Assange UK
4 February at 20:14 ·

Putting a call out - we no longer have the time to run this page - please PM us if you would like to take over the admin of this page - but you must be based in the UK. Many thanks.





I would have thought Mr Assange could run it himself, he's got nothing else to do

I'll do it. There's quite a lot of stuff I could post up.

 

[gosub]

I'll do it. There's quite a lot of stuff I could post up.

careful now, you'll end up being wanted by the UN for hate crime

 

[danny la rouge]

careful now, you'll end up being wanted by the UN for hate crime

That's fine: I * do* hate crime.

 

[phildwyer]

I think people accused of sexual violence should have the opportunity to test those allegations in a fair court.

Assange doesn't appear to want to.

For some obscure reason, he doesn't think he'll get a fair trial.

He seems to have developed the ludicrous, paranoid notion that powerful forces are out to get him by any means necessary. Christ knows where he came up with that one.

 

[danny la rouge]

For some obscure reason, he doesn't think he'll get a fair trial.

He seems to have developed the ludicrous, paranoid notion that powerful forces are out to get him by any means necessary. Christ knows where he came up with that one.

He won't now.

 

[danny la rouge]

Or rather, he's made it much harder for himself to get a fair trial now.

 

[danny la rouge]

Q&A: Why the UN’s Julian Assange ruling is meaningless

 

[Kesher]

Why the UN's Julian Assange ruling is NOT meaningless. The intro to the piece on Assange starts at 02:45 in. If you want to jump straight to the interview with his lawyer (Melinda Taylor) who explains why the ruling is legal and what will happen if the UK Gov does not comply with it then this starts at 03:55 in:


Julian Assange, London’s Syria Conference & Labour’s Red Tories (E303)

 

[danny la rouge]

 

[danny la rouge]

 

[gosub]

Lawyers can't do 140 character can they.

 

[danny la rouge]

Lawyers can't do 140 character can they.

They're used to being paid per sentence, so it's a mindset mismatch.

 

[brogdale]

For some obscure reason, he doesn't think he'll get a fair trial.

He seems to have developed the ludicrous, paranoid notion that powerful forces are out to get him by any means necessary. Christ knows where he came up with that one.

 

[danny la rouge]

It's like travelling back in time five years, isn't it?

 

[Smangus]

I'm now hoping that the powerful forces out to get him do. The self-aggrandizing arrogant tosser.

 

[brogdale]

I'm now hoping that the powerful forces out to get him do. The self-aggrandizing arrogant tosser.

Really?
No, don't go that far...sends powerful message to anyone considering attempt to leak state 'secrets'.
If charged by the Swedes he should face justice, but there's no need to cheer on the CIA taking him out, is there?

 

[Spymaster]

If charged by the Swedes he should face justice, but there's no need to cheer on the CIA taking him out, is there?

I sincerely hope the Yanks get hold of him after the Swedes.

 

[danny la rouge]

Really?
No, don't go that far...sends powerful message to anyone considering attempt to leak state 'secrets'.
If charged by the Swedes he should face justice, but there's no need to cheer on the CIA taking him out, is there?

Yup. I understand the frustration, but what is required here is a fair hearing in a fair court: the course of law.

Jeez. I don't know how many anarchist points I lose for saying this stuff!

 

[J Ed]

This is the thing that a lot of liberal leftists don't seem to get: it is possible for someone to do a thing you admire and then also do something appalling. It is furthermore possible that in evading taking responsibility for the appalling thing, that the person who once did a useful thing actually does a lot of damage to the useful cause and to others involved in the useful cause.

Now, that may take a minute or so to think about, but it's really not hard to process ethically. The sentences have a few clauses, and that can take time for some people. But the concept isn't hard. But some people just can't deal with the complexity of reality. They prefer this:

"Person does something admirable = hero. Heroes don't do bad things. Bad thing must be lie. People who think hero should face a fair trial in a fair court must be against the admirable thing. Therefore they are bad people".

I think people accused of sexual violence should have the opportunity to test those allegations in a fair court.

Assange doesn't appear to want to.

Yes, this reminds me of the article in the New $tatesman where they attempted to defend mass surveillance by leaking an IRC chat Snowden was a participant in where he said some right-wing pro-privatisation stuff.

 

[brogdale]

I sincerely hope the Yanks get hold of him after the Swedes.

Why did the US not seek his extradition from the UK?

 

[Smangus]

Really?
No, don't go that far...sends powerful message to anyone considering attempt to leak state 'secrets'.
If charged by the Swedes he should face justice, but there's no need to cheer on the CIA taking him out, is there?

It's not my nature to think like this but he behaves in such a self-centred manner that it's my gut reaction to him, sorry.

 

[brogdale]

It's not my nature to think like this but he behaves in such a self-centred manner that it's my gut reaction to him, sorry.

OK, but think it through, eh?

 

[Smangus]

OK, but think it through, eh?

Not cheering on the CIA btw, but think he should face up to the Swedish accusations.

 

[Kesher]

Why did the US not seek his extradition from the UK?

The U.S could but it's more likely to succeed in Sweden. Sweden has form on this whilst in the UK there are more safeguards within the legal process.

 

[danny la rouge]

The U.S could but it's more likely to succeed in Sweden. Sweden has form on this whilst in the UK there are more safeguards within the legal process.

 

[brogdale]

So no nearer an answer to my Q, then?

 

[danny la rouge]

So no nearer an answer to my Q, then?

David Allen Green in the New Statesman piece I linked to earlier says:

"And here there is also an obvious point to be made. The United States has actually not made an extradition request. Although it is reported that there is a “Grand Jury” investigation currently proceeding (and even that there is a “sealed indictment”), there remains no extradition request. There may never be one."

We return therefore to the question of where the suggestion that he might be extradited comes from in the first place.

 

[brogdale]

David Allen Green in the New Statesman piece I linked to earlier says:

"And here there is also an obvious point to be made. The United States has actually not made an extradition request. Although it is reported that there is a “Grand Jury” investigation currently proceeding (and even that there is a “sealed indictment”), there remains no extradition request. There may never be one."

We return therefore to the question of where the suggestion that he might be extradited comes from in the first place.

Call me TFH, but I'd say that Assange's *fear* of an attempted extradition by the US is not without foundation.

 

[danny la rouge]

Call me TFH, but I'd say that Assange's *fear* of an attempted extradition by the US is not without foundation.

No, but it seems to have taken its present form straight after he became aware of the allegations in Sweden. Not before visiting Sweden.