Assange to face extradition

[Spymaster]

The federal grand jury has not yet said that they want him charged with anything. Hence no extradition request.

 

[danny la rouge]

The federal grand jury has not yet said that they want him charged with anything. Hence no extradition request.

Precisely.

 

[brogdale]

No, but it seems to have taken its present form straight after he became aware of the allegations in Sweden. Not before visiting Sweden.

Which, playing TFH "devil's advocaat", would be consistent with a perception of being fitted up.

 

[Spymaster]

TFH?

 

[brogdale]

TFH?

tinfoilhat(ter)

 

[brogdale]

The federal grand jury has not yet said that they want him charged with anything. Hence no extradition request.

and yet you want the yanks to get him?

 

[Spymaster]

Yes. I want him to be as miserable as possible for as long as possible.

 

[brogdale]

Yes. I want him to be as miserable as possible for as long as possible.

Unappealing though his personality & projection may be, he's not been charged or prosecuted for any crime, has he?

 

[Spymaster]

Unappealing though his personality & projection may be, he's not been charged or prosecuted for any crime, has he?

He hasn't been charged or prosecuted because he's avoided being questioned by the Swedish plod.

 

[brogdale]

He hasn't been charged or prosecuted because he's avoided being questioned by the Swedish plod.

What's that got to do with the yanks?

 

[Spymaster]

What's that got to do with the yanks?

Oh, I see. No, they haven't yet decided on what basis (or if) to pursue him, afaik. Should they do so I'd be delighted.

 

[brogdale]

Oh, I see. No, they haven't yet decided on what basis (or if) to pursue him, afaik. Should they do so I'd be delighted.

and the cause of your delight?

 

[danny la rouge]

Angels? Turks? Rappers?

 

[brogdale]

Angels? Turks? Rappers?

you missed pm

 

[Spymaster]

and the cause of your delight?

His discomfort.

 

[danny la rouge]

you missed pm

Had to Google that. That's a song that had passed me by somehow.

 

[brogdale]

His discomfort.

I see, just out and out Schadenfreude, then?
Or has Assange caused you some personal disadvantage?

 

[Spymaster]

I see, just out and out Schadenfreude, then?

No that's not schadenfreude. It's a desire to see him punished for what he's done. Very different. I despise the concept of Wikileaks, I despise his evasion of justice, I despise the mockery he's made of asylum, and I despise his attempted contortions of international law.

Or has Assange caused you some personal disadvantage?

No. But neither has Gary Glitter.

 

[brogdale]

No that's not schadenfreude, it's a desire to see him punished for what he's done. Very different. I despise the concept of Wikileaks, I despise his evasion of justice, I despise the mockery he's made of asylum, and I despise his attempted contortions of international law.

No. But neither has Gary Glitter.

Silly comparison; GG is a convicted offender.

 

[Spymaster]

Silly comparison; GG is a convicted offender.

It's a perfectly reasonable response to a silly question, which asks whether someone should have disadvantaged us personally for us to hold that person in contempt.

 

[brogdale]

It's a perfectly reasonable response to a silly question which asks whether someone should have disadvantaged us personally for us to hold that person in contempt.

I was attempting to understand your animosity.
Which you've explained as a basic dislike of the concept of a platform for individual 'whistle-blowers' to leak state-based secrets exposing wrong-doing.

 

[Spymaster]

Which you've explained as a basic dislike of the concept of a platform for individual 'whistle-blowers' to leak state-based secrets exposing wrong-doing.

Well it's more than that, but yes, there's a need for state-based secrets and I'm not sure the likes of Assange and his cronies are the best people to judge which of them should be leaked and which not.

Then there's the rapey stuff.

 

[Pickman's model]

Silly comparison; GG is a convicted offender.

tony blair has personally disadvantaged me but he's not beenconvicted yet

 

[Pickman's model]

Well it's more than that, but yes, there's a need for state-based secrets and I'm not sure the likes of Assange and his cronies are the best people to judge which of them should be leaked and which not.

Then there's the rapey stuff.

leak them all and let god sort them out

 

[brogdale]

Well it's more than that, but yes, there's a need for state-based secrets and I'm not sure the likes of Assange and his cronies are the best people to judge which of them should be leaked and which not.

Then there's the rapey stuff.

Individuals (& states themselves) have leaked 'state secrets' since there have been states, Wikileaks provides a digital platform for such...who would you have judging/editing what whistle-blowers feel compelled to leak?

 

[Pickman's model]

Individuals (& states themselves) have leaked 'state secrets' since there have been states, Wikileaks provides a digital platform for such...who would you have judging/editing what whistle-blowers feel compelled to leak?

(((clive ponting)))

 

[Spymaster]

Individuals (& states themselves) have leaked 'state secrets' since there have been states, Wikileaks provides a digital platform for such...who would you have judging/editing what whistle-blowers feel compelled to leak?

Well nobody really. That's the point.

If we accept people leaking supposed instances of wrongdoing (which is always going to be subjective) such as causing civilian casualties and the like, it becomes difficult to counter other people leaking other things. Would you support the leaking of the identities of ISIS informants, or airport security flaws .... etc, etc?

 

[Spymaster]

tony blair has personally disadvantaged me but he's not beenconvicted yet

Donald Trump has neither disadvantaged me personally nor been convicted of any offence, but I still think he's a massive wanker, and if he were convicted of something and imprisoned, I'd laugh my cock off.

 

[brogdale]

Well nobody really. That's the point.

If we accept people leaking supposed instances of wrongdoing (which is always going to be subjective) such as causing civilian casualties and the like, it becomes difficult to counter other people leaking other things. Would you support the leaking of the identities of ISIS informants, or airport security flaws .... etc, etc?

This comes across as denialism. In the digital age whistle-blowers are not dependent on the gate-keepers of the MSM to judge whether or not to publish.

 

[Spymaster]

This comes across as denialism. In the digital age whistle-blowers are not dependent on the gate-keepers of the MSM to judge whether or not to publish.

MSM=main stream media?

If so, so what?