Assange to face extradition
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butchersapron
Bring back hanging
It's not the likelihood that this happened that he's even questioning - it's that someone accused of rape should not have to face trial if they think that they are innocent. This is possibly the maddest stuff i have ever heard on here.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Don't misrepresent me, please. I was very clear.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Was you fuck. If so you can post the very clear stuff again - right?
Quite - a bloke I knew who was falsely accused of rape* wasn't worried about having to appear in court because as far as he was concerned it was the only way in which he could officially clear his name. Come the day of the trial, the judge threw the case out.
*Before anyone shouts me down on this, he wasn't physically able to do what the young woman said he'd done in the way which she said he'd done it.
that is pretty clear, if he doesnt think he raped anyone he shouldnt have to go to sweden
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
No, there is more to it than that - if he believes there is a plot to get him and that 'something bad will happen to him', such as him being bundled off to the US, which is what he says he fears will happen.
TruXta
tired
I can't believe you think that this has any bearing whatsoever on whether he should go to Sweden to face charges or not. I literally find it impossible to reconcile you holding this position with what I've learnt about you over the last 6 years or so I've spent here. WTF man. WTF.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
If he genuinely believes that this is a plot and he'll be bundled off to the US if he is extradited to Sweden, he would be a bit mad not to resist it with all his might, no? That's all I'm saying.
TruXta
tired
I can understand that he'd think so. I can't understand that you'd salute him doing so.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
I don't salute him. I don't take a position either way. I don't know.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
I don't know.
TruXta
tired
You do know. As do I. As do most people I'd wager.
elbows
Well-Known Member
The opportunity for Assange to bravely use knowledge of plots and risks was before he got his dick out. He didnt, and he ignored multiple people who tried to advise him of the risks on this front.
Its no good trying to play that game after the event. No good for the alleged victims, for the concept of justice and openness, for his own name or for wikileaks the organisation. But thats the game he chose to play, and that some still buy into. Shameful.
Its no good trying to play that game after the event. No good for the alleged victims, for the concept of justice and openness, for his own name or for wikileaks the organisation. But thats the game he chose to play, and that some still buy into. Shameful.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
I can think of three possibilities:
1. He's lying his face off about this being part of a conspiracy to get him.
2. He has let his paranoia get the better of him and he believes that this is part of a conspiracy to get him, but in reality it is just what it is being presented to be by the Swedish authorities.
3. This is part of a conspiracy to get him. He's been set up and has real reason to fear that nasty things will happen to him if he goes to Sweden.
1. might be true. 2. might be true, after all, he can be sure that there really are forces out to get him, so it would not be surprising if he started to become paranoid. And 3. might be true, after all, there really are forces out to get him - we can be pretty sure of that. I don't feel able to make a proper judgement about the likelihood of each possibility.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Just to remind you of the last time you made a weird statement like that. It was on the Jimmy Savile thread, on which you were having a go at me for taking the accusations against Savile seriously.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
That is my answer. Whether or not I condemn or condone his actions depends on which of those possibilities is true. Sometimes the answer to a yes/no question is 'it depends'.
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
I'm thoroughly pissed off with you.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
If he has good reason to believe that this is part of a plot to get him, I don't condemn his actions. If he doesn't, then I do. That's all I can do. As I said, it depends.
so just in case lets call the victims liars and let assange go, is that what you're saying?
would you take that position with anyone evading justice for anything if they said they were being set up?
weltweit
Well-Known Member
I think it would be easier for the US to get their hands on Assange from Britain, we have a friendly extradition arrangement with the US. They could have applied to get him from here. And if they were conspiring, still, they could perhaps get the Swedish request quashed so they could have first dibs.
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
I can't believe that you have told me you are sexist.
The CIA.
At a rough guess I'd say about 10,000.
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