ElizabethofYork
Old Crone
Oh no. Inevitable I suppose.
Aristocrat's daughter on the run with sex offender and newborn
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friedaweed
Me and me girl named Jane
Poor little soul.
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hiraethified
What options/alterative actions do you think were open to the police once they were spotted?
friedaweed
Me and me girl named Jane
No more than questions about the parents choices.
ruffneck23
front left
Utterly horrible news 
Looby
Well-Known Member
I imagine there will be a child safeguarding review in time and within that the actions of all professionals would be reviewed.
bimble
floofy
I;ve been told that i have an unrealistic idea about police's resources and competence to have done anything other than what they did, and that may be true.
It just feels like the worst possible outcome, if (we dont know, but if) the parents did keep the baby alive for weeks and weeks and then it died alone whilst they were held in a police station. That just that was my worst ending.
friedaweed
Me and me girl named Jane
Yup and if there's any fuck ups at all there'll likely be an inquiry thereafter.
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
You are still making wild speculation, whilst totally ignoring the few facts we know.
The statement said they had found the 'remains' of a baby, which implies the death was not in the last couple of days.
Idaho
blah blah blah
The video shows them walking around without the baby before being arrested. If the baby was still alive at that time, and somehow the police knew that, I'm not sure how waiting around while it was lying in the middle of the woods would have been in any way sensible or defensible. It's natural and reasonable to rail against the grimness of it all, but I don't think this would have ended with a living baby alas
bimble
floofy
i said if several times. i am aware they used that word.
friedaweed
Me and me girl named Jane
We don't know that that's the case though so it's not worth stressing over tbh. They will have been given plenty of opportunity to retrieve the child too if that even was the case. Like I say it's all ifs and buts and we don't know the half of it.
They've also used the word 'remains' which is sadly, worthy of note. No doubt we'll find out why in due course.
A wee child has died at the end of the day. It's all a shit story now.
Raheem
Well-Known Member
Also, it took three days of searching the same area of woodland, which suggests the baby had been buried.
I don't see what the police could have done anyway. If the baby had been alive at that time, there's no realistic way it could have been saved without the parents cooperating.
bimble
floofy
yes. maybe i am doing anger because it feels better than sadness. The story and the way its been covered has been just horrible throughout.
friedaweed
Me and me girl named Jane
Fair enough. We all have our different responses to this sort of news.
Kind thoughts.
Frieda
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
Domestic Homicide Review, all parties will have to explain exactly what they knew and did, where and when etc etc. They always make fucking depressing reading.
Poot
My wife thinks I work too hard
Because of coercive control for a start, not to mention the high risk of death to either mother or baby.
Plumdaff
joy in people
It's difficult to know all the circumstances and if there have been police fuck ups we need to uncover them. But because of my line of work I've witnessed people being detained or arrested a fair few times. Whether they agree with the reasons for their detention, pretty much to a man or woman, any of them with dependants first thought has been of the safety of their children, family, friends or pets, and wanting to ensure that they are looked after . And at this moment I find it very difficult to get beyond the fact that for whatever reason this may not have happened here, and the beyond tragic consequences of that for such a vulnerable child. Awful.
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Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
Mrs Sas doesn't post here, so I will post her comment.
'The body was found near where they were arrested, what the fuck have the police been doing all this time?'. I echo her sentiment.
'The body was found near where they were arrested, what the fuck have the police been doing all this time?'. I echo her sentiment.
Rebelda
Nearly as bad as Badgers
I think you're also saying the horrible thing that we're all trying not to think. There are definitely some outcomes that I am 'no no no, head in sand, don't want to think it' about. Maybe that's also why you've had some push back. I definitely have a cross that bridge when I get to it attitude to some of this, because it's so upsetting.
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
Near, but we have no idea ATM of actually how near, the search area was 90 square miles, involving hundreds of officers from both The Met & Sussex Police, using helicopters, drones, dogs, handheld thermal imaging equipment, etc - it's been like trying to a needle in a haystack.
Plus. 'remains' have been found does tend to suggest the poor mite was buried.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
E2a: unfair and unnecessary, removed.
bimble
floofy
am done talking about it and apologise if I’ve made it worse for others.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
I removed the post you quoted pretty much immediately.
There's no points to be scored here, nothing useful to say, no right or wrong way to look at it. Just yet another shit result for humankind. I don't think these threads have been bringing out the best in any of us and I don't want to contribute to that.
eatmorecheese
He's fallen out of the car again
Just utterly tragic. No words. I think silence is best sometimes
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
I think a map could be helpful in understanding what the search area was, between where they were arrested after using the cashpoint at Mulberry's, a Sussex chain of convenience stores, and where they were last spotted in Newhaven, about 10 miles away.
That's a lot of countryside, on the edge of the South Downs National Park.
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That's a lot of countryside, on the edge of the South Downs National Park.
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