toblerone3
Grrrrr
No-one has ever suggested that Harry Stanley was shot because he was Scottish and Teuchter is not going to be shot just because he is Scottish.
Are you ready for Salmond's St. Andrew's day betrayal?
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No-one has ever suggested that Harry Stanley was shot because he was Scottish and Teuchter is not going to be shot just because he is Scottish.
claphamboy
The wheels on the bus go round and round....
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
If that moment of realisation was ever coming it would have been in the middle of designing his own uniform.
London_Calling
Pleasant and unpatronising
That's unneccessary and doesn't serve your own argument, not that you have put forward an argument.
Is it the logic in his argument that you consider "insane"?
London_Calling
Pleasant and unpatronising
Pickles - do you work in an office, I suspect not.
Oops......I do.....one that tolerates foolishness thankfully
She's not got her bits showing though.......and as Pete says
"Sexy yet tastefully done. I don't want to encourage people to post pornographic pictures here unless like with this one it is something like their own photoshop which they did themselves and so deserves artistic appreciation"
So its basically art anyway!
'Unneccessary' is using the dunblane tragedy to further your own agenda.
No, I don't have an argument. Like most people in this thread, I'm here for the lol. Political debate is shaky ground for me, although not as much as it is for Mr Dow it seems.
If you can't see what's 'insane' about Peter Dows recent postings then i'm afraid I can't help you. Have you read this thread?
claphamboy
The wheels on the bus go round and round....
Can't answer for tar1984, but IMO it's the argument that's inane and the poster that's insane.
Hope that helps.
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
I think you mean what the Queen's police officers do to suspected Irishmen in London, a chara...
"On 22 September 1999, he was returning home from the Alexandra Pub in South Hackney carrying, in a plastic bag, a table leg that had been repaired by his brother earlier that day. Someone had phoned the police to report "an Irishman with a gun wrapped in a bag".
Close to his home, Inspector Neil Sharman and PC Kevin Fagan, the crew of a Metropolitan police Armed Response Vehicle challenged Mr. Stanley from behind. As he turned to face them, they shot him dead at a distance of 15 feet "
London_Calling
Pleasant and unpatronising
Exactly. Call the weirdo nasty names and stand back. Now you're part of the gang! Must feel cool?
claphamboy
The wheels on the bus go round and round....
You wanna be in my gang, my gang?
Oh, hang on, that's a different bloke that likes sleeping with young girls.
@ self.DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
You're the one calling him a weirdo, that's worse than anything I said.
You wanna be in my gang, my gang?
Oh, hang on, that's a different bloke that likes sleeping with young girls.
Erm. What the fuck is that shit?
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
Turin Breaks Underdog. A TUNE!
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
All in all, this thread would be best binned.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Nah. Peter came back and argued the toss, so not spam in my book.
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
Not spam. But a man who needs help makes sick and bizarre comparison, and now a gawp-at-the-man-who-needs-help-and-poke-him-with-a-stick thread.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
True. I've been guilty of it. I think people have been relatively kind, though, considering.
ETA: I would add, though, that Peter Dow indeed needs help, but being pulled up on his crazy ideas here may help. There are people like you, and on a good day, maybe, me, who are prepared to be patient and reason with irrational posters. On most sites, he'd be flamed so hard there is no way he'd be able to take anything from it.
Peter Dow
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The Queen's rule is that there are no rules
The Queen's rule is simply to rubber-stamp the state, give it a green light, carte blanche, a blank cheque, a state with no rules, just some vague mumbling about a "constitutional monarchy", "parliamentary democracy" and "judicial independence" which all amounts to no rules and no limits on state power. The officers of the state can treat any citizen like an animal and get away with it because there is no head of state to stop them.
The Queen's real power is to bless the state having ALL the real power and the people none.
If we the people don't want the absolute power of the state blessed because we want to start holding the state to account then we need to remove the rubber-stamp, the monarchy, as a first step towards establishing republics for the nations.
The UK's one rule is the people can't elect a president to do a good job of head of state.
The Queen's rule is simply to rubber-stamp the state, give it a green light, carte blanche, a blank cheque, a state with no rules, just some vague mumbling about a "constitutional monarchy", "parliamentary democracy" and "judicial independence" which all amounts to no rules and no limits on state power. The officers of the state can treat any citizen like an animal and get away with it because there is no head of state to stop them.
The Queen's real power is to bless the state having ALL the real power and the people none.
If we the people don't want the absolute power of the state blessed because we want to start holding the state to account then we need to remove the rubber-stamp, the monarchy, as a first step towards establishing republics for the nations.
London_Calling
Pleasant and unpatronising
We're blessed to have a latent bully among us.
Peter Dow
Standard Bearer
Head of state is head of shit happens
Head of state is head of shit happens. This is always the case in a monarchy or a republic, the buck stops with the head of state, be he or she a president or a monarch.
The state gave Hamilton a firearms certificate and stopped anyone else disarming him.
The state gave the helicopter permission to fly and stopped anyone else grounding it.
These were wrong decisions of the state which allowed the disaster to occurred. A different state with a different head of state would have taken different decisions and saved lives or if they took the same decisions and lost the same lives you'd blame the head of state whoever it was. It is a question of function and ultimate responsibility. It is the head of state's job to ensure the state functions well.
Well for you claphamboy I will answer Lemon Eddy's questions but not for him, not after he rubbed my nose in questions I'd have gone to jail for answering.Reasoning? You expect reasoning?
Head of state is head of shit happens. This is always the case in a monarchy or a republic, the buck stops with the head of state, be he or she a president or a monarch.
The state gave Hamilton a firearms certificate and stopped anyone else disarming him.
The state gave the helicopter permission to fly and stopped anyone else grounding it.
These were wrong decisions of the state which allowed the disaster to occurred. A different state with a different head of state would have taken different decisions and saved lives or if they took the same decisions and lost the same lives you'd blame the head of state whoever it was. It is a question of function and ultimate responsibility. It is the head of state's job to ensure the state functions well.
Peter Dow
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My agenda is to stop other innocent children being killed in avoidable circumstances. That is not a twisted agenda. It is the agenda of someone who cares. It is not twisted to care. It is twisted if you don't care and don't try.
There were failures by the state giving Hamilton a firearms certificate which enabled him to commit the Dunblane massacre. Discussion of those failures is a proper part of political discussion about how to change such an incompetent failing state and save lives.
It is right to learn the political lessons from political failures, especially when the lives of innocent children are at risk as they always are.
It is, I submit, "not on" to try to reduce politics to talking only about minor matters like whether dogs are allowed to pooh in the park without their owners clearing up after them or not.
Real politics is about life and death matters.
Now when people trust their Queen and her officers and judges, like Lord Cullen who wrote the official report into the Dunblane massacre as the only ones fit to comment on these life and death matters and they don't allow themselves to discuss these most important life and death matters then that is being apolitical or even fascist. "Politics is only for the special high-up people to talk about". No it isn't! Politics is for us all to talk about because we all suffer when those with the political power make mistakes.
Real politics is about who has power to do what to whom and if the power is with the Queen and her officers and judges then the way they use that power is political and when they abuse that power and give firearms certificates to dangerous people like Thomas Hamilton and cause deaths then that is the stuff of real politics.
Now maybe politics is not for you but I suggest that politics is within the scope of the Scotland/Alba forum and Scottish politics is clearly the theme of this topic in the opening post and I have tried to stick to the Scottish and British politics.
Maybe some others posting here have drifted from the serious topic from time to time. I suggest that those others are "not on" topic but I am trying very hard to stay on topic.
Peter Dow
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Take cover, the Queen's officers have got guns
Some people can't tell the difference between a Scottish and an Irish accent. Maybe what happened is that when in the pub someone heard Harry speaking, thought it was an Irish accent, thought it was a gun in his bag and phoned it in.
The police control room heard "Irish man with a gun!" and dispatch an armed response unit and the rest is history.
No he wasn't shot because he was Scottish, like Jean Charles de Menezes wasn't shot because he was Brazilian.
The police shoot innocent people because they are incompetently trained and incompetently led by senior officers of the state, and here we are talking about the Chief Constable of the Metropolitan Police and the Prime Minister at the time.
Now when the PM and CC are rubbish then we need a head of state to dismiss them and appoint others who are good at the job.
A good president would have sacked the PM and CC before the shooting. The Queen didn't sack them because
(a) the Queen is a monarch insisting on staying on and not abdicating and a head of state would need democratic legitimacy to sack a PM which a monarch, particular her, is never going to get and
(b) because the Queen has got no idea who to sack and who to appoint, because she is incompetent and she would approve the appointments of the officers of the state no matter how incompetent they are.
The Queen's officers shoot innocents, be they Scots, English, Irish, Welsh whatever; we are all at risk.
Like I said
Some people can't tell the difference between a Scottish and an Irish accent. Maybe what happened is that when in the pub someone heard Harry speaking, thought it was an Irish accent, thought it was a gun in his bag and phoned it in.
The police control room heard "Irish man with a gun!" and dispatch an armed response unit and the rest is history.
No he wasn't shot because he was Scottish, like Jean Charles de Menezes wasn't shot because he was Brazilian.
The police shoot innocent people because they are incompetently trained and incompetently led by senior officers of the state, and here we are talking about the Chief Constable of the Metropolitan Police and the Prime Minister at the time.
Now when the PM and CC are rubbish then we need a head of state to dismiss them and appoint others who are good at the job.
A good president would have sacked the PM and CC before the shooting. The Queen didn't sack them because
(a) the Queen is a monarch insisting on staying on and not abdicating and a head of state would need democratic legitimacy to sack a PM which a monarch, particular her, is never going to get and
(b) because the Queen has got no idea who to sack and who to appoint, because she is incompetent and she would approve the appointments of the officers of the state no matter how incompetent they are.
The Queen's officers shoot innocents, be they Scots, English, Irish, Welsh whatever; we are all at risk.
Yes I think we mean the same thing.
Peter Dow
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Although I am not 100% innocent of c&p, previous threads I have started have not included the argument of the toss we had here because often I don't have the time. I have other forums to debate in and sometimes before I get a chance to respond to the debate here my OP has been cut to size on the grounds of being c&p and then people here don't have an opportunity to respond to my post so I have nothing to reply to. So no debate and no argument.
Some of the replies I get are simply insulting and not worthy of a reply.
So thank you little baby jesus for your kind "not spam" blessing.
is just for those like you who are born to lead. 
Peter Dow
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Salmond betrays Scottish independence for Queen's united kingdoms
On the 25th February 2010, Queen Elizabeth's First Minister Alex Salmond presented a paper entitled "Scotland’s Future: Draft Referendum (Scotland) Bill Consultation" and I quote -
So there is Salmond's approach printed in black and white in his own paper - he intends to deny the Scots the sovereign right of an independent nation to elect our own head of state, he intends the head of state and the Scottish sovereign to be Queen Elizabeth and the reality is Salmond opposes the sovereignty of the Scottish people, preferring the sovereignty of the Queen.
But then Salmond tells his big lie when presenting that publication which surrenders sovereignty to the Queen when he lied to us all -
but the truth is the exact opposite - Salmond's paper's approach actually surrenders sovereignty to the Queen and to the "United Kingdoms" and the Union of the Crowns.
This man Salmond is a bare faced LIAR who has betrayed the Scots to his Queen and goodness knows why ANY Scot believes a word out of his mouth.
Salmond's treachery does not end there. Even the ballot paper he proposes is rigged to stop Scots voting simply for Scottish national independence without risking the appearance of agreeing to retain the Queen.
Never have the Scots been confronted with such a devious traitor as Alex Salmond.
The sovereignty of the Scottish people will be asserted when we Scots are allowed to elect our own head of state, a president of a Scottish republic and when our good president defends the sovereign rights and freedoms of the Scots to speak out, to protest and to govern ourselves democratically in a free country, with ALL Scots as part of the government and with no monarch as head of state. Only then will we have the sovereignty of the Scottish people truly respected.
There is no route to Scottish independence which includes following this traitor Salmond or supporting his referendum plan. Salmond's plan is a dead end which keeps the Scots in slavery under the brutal rule of the Queen's United Kingdoms.
The true route to Scottish national independence is to oust the Queen by banning her and the Windsor royal family from Scotland and to enforce that ban by any means necessary.
On the 25th February 2010, Queen Elizabeth's First Minister Alex Salmond presented a paper entitled "Scotland’s Future: Draft Referendum (Scotland) Bill Consultation" and I quote -
So there is Salmond's approach printed in black and white in his own paper - he intends to deny the Scots the sovereign right of an independent nation to elect our own head of state, he intends the head of state and the Scottish sovereign to be Queen Elizabeth and the reality is Salmond opposes the sovereignty of the Scottish people, preferring the sovereignty of the Queen.
But then Salmond tells his big lie when presenting that publication which surrenders sovereignty to the Queen when he lied to us all -
Salmond SAYS the approach of his paper supports the sovereignty of the Scottish people
but the truth is the exact opposite - Salmond's paper's approach actually surrenders sovereignty to the Queen and to the "United Kingdoms" and the Union of the Crowns. This man Salmond is a bare faced LIAR who has betrayed the Scots to his Queen and goodness knows why ANY Scot believes a word out of his mouth.
Salmond's treachery does not end there. Even the ballot paper he proposes is rigged to stop Scots voting simply for Scottish national independence without risking the appearance of agreeing to retain the Queen.
Never have the Scots been confronted with such a devious traitor as Alex Salmond.
The sovereignty of the Scottish people will be asserted when we Scots are allowed to elect our own head of state, a president of a Scottish republic and when our good president defends the sovereign rights and freedoms of the Scots to speak out, to protest and to govern ourselves democratically in a free country, with ALL Scots as part of the government and with no monarch as head of state. Only then will we have the sovereignty of the Scottish people truly respected.
There is no route to Scottish independence which includes following this traitor Salmond or supporting his referendum plan. Salmond's plan is a dead end which keeps the Scots in slavery under the brutal rule of the Queen's United Kingdoms.
The true route to Scottish national independence is to oust the Queen by banning her and the Windsor royal family from Scotland and to enforce that ban by any means necessary.
claphamboy
The wheels on the bus go round and round....
All your missing there is... FREEDOM!!!
Steady there Braveheart!! I think most people realise in both Scotland and the UK that the monarchy has very little impact on our lives - its just pomp and ceremony at the end of the day and no one really cares. The Queen has nothing to do with legislation in the UK and wouldn't effect an independent Scotland at the end of the day. As stirring and inspirational your post is with comments such as 'the saltire used as the Queens butchers apren' and 'under the brutal heel of the Queens ministers'
it sounds like you are a millenia behind in the debate.how about you raise an army and march upon Stirling to throw off the yoke of English imperialism
