teuchter
je suis teuchter
Why's that a "problem"?
Are you an anarchist but not a member of an anarchist organisation?
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Rob Ray
Weight is meaningless
This is known as a front, and is generally frowned on as being pretty misleading. Plus it doesn't work, the world isn't entirely full of stupid people, they tend to read the Aims and Principles and be "oh so you're anarchists."
Because ultimately it doesn't matter what the label is it'll be pilloried in the same way because it's a challenge to the status quo, and then what, change the name again? Start from scratch? What's the point of that? Plus unlike Hermes we can't just peel off the old label and stick Evri on all our vans, there's 150 years-worth of literature on the subject which is all branded "anarchism" that we'd kind of like people to read.
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I thought the question was directed at anarchists. Anyway, broader church orgs tend to attract loons.
Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
Urban isn’t that bad is it?
It has indeed. But I was thinking more along the lines of Occupy.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
It's a bit of a conundrum, isn't it? For example, the strength of the Arab Spring movements was also their weakness. Decentralised and leaderless, they were impossible to suppress, but their lack of centralisation and leadership also meant that there was no clear pathway forwards once the regimes had been toppled.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
Change the aims and principles to reflect what the group actually does, then.
My question was why it's a problem if the best of your activities end up disassociated with "anarchism", and people ask "what do anarchists actually achieve?"
The answer is fairly simple: "quite a bit of good stuff, but not really anarchism". It's better than "nothing".
And they could easily be hijacked/subverted. Which brings us back round to why you need orgs and structures.
Rob Ray
Weight is meaningless
So to be clear, your strategic advice is for us to not do anarchist stuff and not call ourselves anarchists. Great stuff thanks mate, I'll file that brilliant plan right alongside the works of Sun Tzu.
Oh no, it fell in the bin, shame
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DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
I don't mind people disagreeing with what they have understood but someone guffawing over thier own ignorance winds me up. Less recons, more reading.
Rob Ray
Weight is meaningless
Uh, not really no. Anarchists vote on stuff all the time.
Sorry, slow news day. That just tickled me.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
There's no contradiction between refusing to vote within a state system whose legitimacy you don't recognise and promoting democracy within your own movement.
8ball
Decolonise colons!
Just not so many as the extremely narrow church orgs.
I think the problem with glossing over certain terms is that firstly there can be a loss of identity and secondly you run the risk of some idiot outing the local mutual aid group as "HARBORING ANARCHISTS!!!"
, which could be a bit of a distraction.
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8ball
Decolonise colons!
Such as I'm A Celebrity...
Depends how we’re defining loon. I was meaning specifically truther types rather than cult like Marxist sects (which aren’t anarchist anyways).
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
You had gathered wrong.
Rob Ray
Weight is meaningless
Hancock could not be allowed to win
8ball
Decolonise colons!
They're everywhere. Not sure you can keep them out just by means of what's written on the tin.
Unless you name yourself something like "THE LANARKSHIRE RESOLUTELY ANARCHIST OSAMA BIN LADEN DEFINITELY DID IT MUTUAL AID GROUP AND FOOD BANK".
Speaking from experience which admittedly is limited they’re less attracted to the words anarchist and communist the same as others. A more broadly speaking name such as Occupy may coincide more easily with their thinking.
Sites they’re attracted to such as Natural News absolutely slate the left for example.
Rob Ray
Weight is meaningless
TLRAOBLDDIMAGAFB has unfortunately split over a disagreement about idpol. And it definitely was about idpol, not as you might have heard about Tony sleeping with Reg's ex.
8ball
Decolonise colons!
XR has a whole bunch of them.
Using words like "anarchist" as a means of keeping people out can get a bit culty if overdone.
XR is another good example. Although that appears to be single issue as opposed to anarchism under a different name.
A bit like calling a golf club a sports club to attract more interest and when they get there they find they can only play golf.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
So to be clear, your strategic advice is for us to not do anarchist stuff and not call ourselves anarchists. Great stuff thanks mate, I'll file that brilliant plan right alongside the works of Sun Tzu.
Oh no, it fell in the bin, shame
As I understand it, you're already not doing anarchist stuff, and that stuff is the best and most effective stuff. Therefore, don't call yourselves anarchists, and more people might want to join you.
What does calling yourselves anarchists achieve?
8ball
Decolonise colons!
More like calling a leisure centre a badminton club because you don’t want accountants turning up.
Rob Ray
Weight is meaningless
You understood wrong. We do useful things which are not labelled as anarchist, this does not mean we don't do useful stuff as anarchists as well.
I genuinely pity the mentality that produced these two sentences.
8ball
Decolonise colons!
I think if you consult the group’s constitution, sleeping with exes domiciled outside the limits of Lanarkshire is also a thumbsdownable offence, regardless of the argument over the jazzhanding of goths being an idpol faction.
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