Are you an anarchist but not a member of an anarchist organisation?

[danny la rouge]

To be fair to Dom, that’s a list not a string of equations.

 

[hitmouse]

Yes, the Danny Burns book is good.

I couldn't remember if that was the one I read several years back or not. But I do remember it being the only book about the poll tax that the library had in their collection. I've just checked the catalogue and yes, that's the one.

I also remember reading this:

The Destruction of Toytown UK - BM Blob

A collection of accounts and analysis of the Poll Tax riot, 1990, published by BM Blob.

libcom.org

Great use of illustrations in that one.

 

[Flavour]

For anyone wanting to connect with their inner armchair anarchist this winter, I can suggest no better tome than this by David Goodway:

I wonder if the use of the snowflake on the cover is a discreet nod to the increasing use of the outward-facing-arrows symbol among the informals/individualists/Greeks

 

[Dom Traynor]

Not sure how listing a few groups is a mix up my dear fellow?

 

[A380]

One could start a UK chapter of this:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c3/Seal_of_the_Socialist_Rifle_Association.png

Socialist Rifle Association - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Serge Forward]

And go to jail, do not pass go etc...

 

[hitmouse]

Yeah, seems like it'd be an odd thing to do since the SRA is very much a product of US culture. Can't really imagine that there'd be enough socialist/anarchist farmers and clay pigeon shooting enthusiasts to make a UK SRA worthwhile?

 

[AmateurAgitator]

Report of founding conference and aims and principles of the AnarCom Network (our constitution is also on our website) :

Have a Revolutionary 2023!

As 2022 comes to an end we celebrate the founding of our organisation. In just 4 months we have come together and formed an amazing network which while small has produced a lot of articles, 2 pamph…

anarcomuk.uk

 

[Karl Masks]

Report of founding conference and aims and principles of the AnarCom Network (our constitution is also on our website) :

Have a Revolutionary 2023!

As 2022 comes to an end we celebrate the founding of our organisation. In just 4 months we have come together and formed an amazing network which while small has produced a lot of articles, 2 pamph…

anarcomuk.uk

How do you plan to win people over? What program or approach do you offer?

 

[danny la rouge]

How do you plan to win people over? What program or approach do you offer?

Free pretzels to all.

 

[brogdale]

Free pretzels to all.

Logic

 

[danny la rouge]

Logic

I’m going to pretend I don’t understand your Steely Dan reference, you hippy.

 

[brogdale]

I’m going to pretend I don’t understand your Steely Dan reference, you hippy.

I shouldn't derail like this, but picking up a (decent) vinyl of that album in a chassa for £10 was one of my musical highs of the year; love the album.
Derail over.

 

[danny la rouge]

I shouldn't derail like this, but picking up a (decent) vinyl of that album in a chassa for £10 was one of my musical highs of the year; love the album.
Derail over.

Not to prolong the derail, but I think you’d like Horace Silver and Kenny Burrell, then, because those were the biggest influences on Steely Dan.

Check out:

 

[belboid]

Report of founding conference and aims and principles of the AnarCom Network (our constitution is also on our website) :

Have a Revolutionary 2023!

As 2022 comes to an end we celebrate the founding of our organisation. In just 4 months we have come together and formed an amazing network which while small has produced a lot of articles, 2 pamph…

anarcomuk.uk

Bless. Just what the world needs, another pointless little splitette of a group writing self importantly and badly. You’ll have another one for next year, no doubt.

 

[Sasaferrato]

Hilarious. But you’re assuming that organisation necessitates hierarchy. That’s a political assertion not a law of nature.

So how do you organise services for sixty million people with no hierarchy?

Who takes the decisions, and how?

Who enforces decisions?

Name a country that has been successfully run on anarchist principles.

 

[AmateurAgitator]

Not to prolong the derail, but I think you’d like Horace Silver and Kenny Burrell, then, because those were the biggest influences on Steely Dan.

Check out:

Great sounds

 

[AmateurAgitator]

So how do you organise services for sixty million people with no hierarchy?

Who takes the decisions, and how?

Who enforces decisions?

Name a country that has been successfully run on anarchist principles.

My answer to this is as follows - This would be done by communities via popular assemblies and workers' councils ie. the commune.

Some notable examples of worker's self organisation would be significant parts of Spain during the Spanish civil war (particularly in rural areas but also urban collectives) and also the Makhnovist areas of Ukraine from 1918-21 (there are other examples of this sort of thing aswell, throughout histroy).

I would recommend reading about it and looking into it for yourself, and it can be very detailed (there are certain books dedicated to this topic) , but here's one summary of such things (from 2003) :

A Brief History of Popular Assemblies and Worker Councils

Morpheus A Brief History of Popular Assemblies and Worker Councils 15th August 2003

theanarchistlibrary.org

 

[Magnus McGinty]

So how do you organise services for sixty million people with no hierarchy?

By having a lazy aristocracy.

Who takes the decisions, and how?

Rich people, in their own interests.

Who enforces decisions?

An organisation in the employ of the state which is controlled by wealthy people.

Name a country that has been successfully run on anarchist principles.

A contradiction of Capitalism is that it relies on socialist interactions at the bottom to function.

 

[Sasaferrato]

By having a lazy aristocracy.



Rich people, in their own interests.



An organisation in the employ of the state which is controlled by wealthy people.



A contradiction of Capitalism is that it relies on socialist interactions at the bottom to function.

Very good.

Now answer the questions actually put.

I'm genuinely interested. I suppose anarchism could work in a small commune, I'm interested in how it would work in a nation of sixty million people.

 

[danny la rouge]

Very good.

Now answer the questions actually put.

I'm genuinely interested. I suppose anarchism could work in a small commune, I'm interested in how it would work in a nation of sixty million people.

Federation. Not that the concept “nations” would be the same.

 

[Sasaferrato]

My answer to this is as follows - This would be done by communities via popular assemblies and workers' councils ie. the commune.

Some notable examples of worker's self organisation would be significant parts of Spain during the Spanish civil war (particularly in rural areas but also urban collectives) and also the Makhnovist areas of Ukraine from 1918-21 (there are other examples of this sort of thing aswell, throughout histroy).

I would recommend reading about it and looking into it for yourself, and it can be very detailed (there are certain books dedicated to this topic) , but here's one summary of such things (from 2003) :

A Brief History of Popular Assemblies and Worker Councils

Morpheus A Brief History of Popular Assemblies and Worker Councils 15th August 2003

theanarchistlibrary.org

That rather reinforces my view. There is absolutely no way that the needs of a large nation could be met on the basis you propose above.

 

[AmateurAgitator]

There is absolutely no way that the needs of a large nation could be met on the basis you propose above.

You need to explain why that is the case, although as danny la rouge pointed out we're talking about federations here, not really nations.

Btw in terms of economics, we're talking about worker's ownership of the means of production and distribution, and also decommodification of the economy (the distribution of things based on need).

 

[Rob Ray]

So how do you organise services for sixty million people with no hierarchy?

Jfc you been on here 20 years and you're only just asking? How staggeringly incurious of you.

 

[Gromit]

Very good.

Now answer the questions actually put.

I'm genuinely interested. I suppose anarchism could work in a small commune, I'm interested in how it would work in a nation of sixty million people.

It would work in a small community until a bigger community came killed them all and stole their land.
As has happened many times in the past.

 

[Rob Ray]

It would work in a small community until a bigger community came killed them all and stole their land.
As has happened many times in the past.

Famously this is why capitalism never took off.

 

[Sasaferrato]

Jfc you been on here 20 years and you're only just asking? How staggeringly incurious of you.

I have many interests, each, in the fullness of time, gets their turn.

Also based on importance, fringe politics comes way down the list.

 

[Sasaferrato]

You need to explain why that is the case, although as danny la rouge pointed out we're talking about federations here, not really nations.

So, how do you persuade a city like London to become a series of communes? How do deal with issues like transport across the city?

 

[Pickman's model]

I have many interests, each, in the fullness of time, gets their turn.

Also based on importance, fringe politics comes way down the list.

Not sure you've the hair for fringe politics

 

[Rob Ray]

Not getting round to asking in 20 years on a bulletin board best known for having a lot of anarchists on it suggests you're a very slow learner.