My dad was a Liberal Party member and went out canvassing for them. I only even knew this after he died but there are values which I've sort of inherited. A certain open mindedness, valuing foreign culture, a certain mild social democractic "european identity" (not that I voted remain) and a refusal to mold kids into your image, let them find who they are. For most of my childhood the Tories (Thatcher) were in power and there was much more railing against them than there was against Labour, so I sort of picked up a hatred for them. But the problems were apparent to me even as a young teen. There's poverty and inequality and this outlook does less than the bare minimum to address it, and there's also an explicit elitism to it. "We know best".
Are you a liberal and/or LibDem? - a Poll
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Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
It would help users who may vote if you could flesh out the characteristics, the positions and the views held by liberals. The initial results suggests a certain lack of self-awareness or shyness…
tim
EXPLODED TIM! (Help me!!!)
Yes, we've noticed. Are you Mike Hancock in real life or the online ectoplasm of Zhirinosky?
Supine
Newt Member
Why? Do you want to take the piss out of people with speech defects?
Yossarian
⏭️
I would support large-scale programs of expropriation and nationalisation to destroy oligarchies and provide a universal basic income and the last time I voted I chose the Communist candidate, but if "liberal" means not being a Putin apologist or not supporting a Conservative-led Brexit, then it's yep, guilty as charged.
Elpenor
a clown’s heart and a mandolin
It was how Ern used to spell it back in the day
tim
EXPLODED TIM! (Help me!!!)
And Remember what happened to Ern. He went Rinka's way.
Dom Traynor
Tino Pai
Whose Ern?
Yossarian
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American right-wingers' definition of "liberal" is so broad that it would include every poster on these boards, including the right-wing ones, and also Hitler, but not Jesus for some reason.
petee
no gods, no malarkey
oh hitler was a socialist donchaknow. it's right there in the name of his party.
WhyLikeThis
Something, something, something
u ok hun?
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
which way did you vote in the poll?
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
Voted No, it's a public poll.
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
If you mean liberalism as in this definition
Liberalism is a political and moral philosophy based on the rights of the individual, liberty, consent of the governed and equality before the law.[1][2][3] Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but they generally support individual rights (including civil rights and human rights), liberal democracy, secularism, rule of law, economic and political freedom, freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, private property and a market economy.
then yes guilty as charged. If you mean Liberal as in "We will shoot your dog if you don't vote us" then No nor am I a member of the Liberal Dems. I don't have the maniacal unthinking hatred of them that some posters do though. If I lived in a seat where they had a genuine chance of shifting the sitting Tory (I don't and they don't) then I would probably vote Lib Dem.
Liberalism is a political and moral philosophy based on the rights of the individual, liberty, consent of the governed and equality before the law.[1][2][3] Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but they generally support individual rights (including civil rights and human rights), liberal democracy, secularism, rule of law, economic and political freedom, freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, private property and a market economy.
then yes guilty as charged. If you mean Liberal as in "We will shoot your dog if you don't vote us" then No nor am I a member of the Liberal Dems. I don't have the maniacal unthinking hatred of them that some posters do though. If I lived in a seat where they had a genuine chance of shifting the sitting Tory (I don't and they don't) then I would probably vote Lib Dem.
RD2003
Got a really fucking shitty attitude
No shortage of oligarchs in the invaded country. Are you appeasing them?
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
No. There's a whole bunch of working-class Ukrainians over there who would appreciate it greatly if Mr Putin and his henchmen fucked off.
RD2003
Got a really fucking shitty attitude
I know. What do you think of the Ukrainian oligarchs?
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Same as any oligarchs; the enemy, has anyone on here defended them? Bet they've all fucked off rather than fight or resist the Russian invasion, and would probably be happy to have any peace so long as they can continue their oligarching. Also expect not many will ever be executed without trial, tortured, deported, had their kids taken away, or anything like that like many normal Ukrainians have and are resisting.
Not really sure what your point is tbh.
Not really sure what your point is tbh.
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
Buncha dickheads. What the fuck has that got to do with the invasion? Because if you think oligarchs justify invasions, then you need to be raring for boots on the ground in Russia.
Supine
Newt Member
Or London
I vote Lib Dem. But thats basically because the other two options are so shit, in different ways. It leaves me little choice. Oh, and my local candidate is a sound dude who recognises how shit it all it is and gets pissed with us in my local in despair.
Get MMP in. Or at least explain it properly to the electorate before the next referendum so they can understand how much better it will be. Nobody I know seems to know what it actually involves.
Get MMP in. Or at least explain it properly to the electorate before the next referendum so they can understand how much better it will be. Nobody I know seems to know what it actually involves.
8ball
Decolonise colons!
RD2003
Got a really fucking shitty attitude
I was just wondering if the Ukrainian oligarchs got a free pass, like the Ukrainian fascists.
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
FTFY
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