Are we really going to sit by while they destroy the NHS?
- Thread starter Bernie Gunther
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two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
I wonder whether people like 38 Degrees and the like aren't one way to go? I understand why people don't like them but surely if you treat them like a news source it's a good way to get the message across. For example petitions for things like MPs not to be allowed to vote where they have a financial interest (200 have 'potential' conflicts of interest with NHS I've seen, which I presume means 'actual' conflicts of interest), and PFI deals not being allowed at the present extortionate rates?
Not that it would change anything, but you could draw attention to some of the excesses, outline what's going on, and possibly point to some of the organizations fighting nhs privatization?
<<waits for hails of derisive laughter >>
Not that it would change anything, but you could draw attention to some of the excesses, outline what's going on, and possibly point to some of the organizations fighting nhs privatization?
<<waits for hails of derisive laughter >>
I'm not sure that's necessarily the case tbh. So long as it's only them it can be spun as an isolated case; an early contract before the system was properly established; mistakes were made and lessons will be learned, and all that bollocks.
It demonstrates that it's impossible to square the circle of making a profit out of catering to the healthcare needs of the entire population. The solution - cherry pick those who you can make a profit out of. The easier to care for, those more able to pay a premium, those who live in more accessible places. And so forth
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
This'll be the same Circle that's recently "won" tenders to provide services to healthcare trusts? How very unsurprising.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
And, as always, the old saw "don't care was made to care" will come true.
I'm shocked. Shocked, I tell you!
*edit* Meanwhile, in equally unshocking news, Circle's shares have taken a nosedive.
Louis MacNeice
Autumn Journalist
A Tory spokesman on Radio 4 this morning was arguing that the company had been laid low by the amount of debt they had to take on; he called for the renegotiation of contracts with the debt reduced. So the market will work if it is protected from risk by the public purse...which is of course bollocks!
Cheers - Louis MacNeice
Louis MacNeice
Autumn Journalist
Absolutely because in a bizarre inversion of priorities protection of the market (an abstract human construct) is placed above protection of people (real, live, flesh and blood human beings); it seems we are never to question the market but we should be happy to subjugate ourselves to it. Very odd indeed.
Cheers - Louis MacNeice
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How robust will Labour be in taking up this issue?
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
Wet spaghetti
I didn't realise they were only two years into a 10 year contract.
I was thinking this morning, about 10 trusts declaring major incidents, not because of flu, or an actual incident, just because they literally cannot meet demand, ten years ago this would have been inconceiveable. The running into the ground argument has a lot going for it.
I was thinking this morning, about 10 trusts declaring major incidents, not because of flu, or an actual incident, just because they literally cannot meet demand, ten years ago this would have been inconceiveable. The running into the ground argument has a lot going for it.
cantsin
Well-Known Member
NU Lab were reponsible for this deal initially weren't they ?
Yes, they were, which is why they're hamstrung in opposing it now.
Labour and the Tories: two cheeks of the same flatulent arse.
cantsin
Well-Known Member
#DontVote
Thatcher claimed her greatest achievement was Tony Blair and Nu Labour!
Major said much the same.
A risk of a derail, I wouldn't go that far. In a city that's being hammered by spending cuts that have been calibrated to hit non-Tory-voting areas hardest, a Labour government is our only realistic hope of being treated slightly less unfairly in the next parliament, and if I thought my (Labour) MP was vulnerable I'd vote for her. She isn't, though, so I won't.
cantsin
Well-Known Member
NHS privatisers are NHS privatisers, Cons / Labs, no difference - economically/enviromentally/geo-politically : time has run out on any pretence all this can be reformed, the lower the vote, the closer we're getting to the prospect of a real solution imo.
(aka:trying to cope with existential January gloom as RT Today blares out the same news from Paris on loop )
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I wish I could believe that.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
4 years of tory cuts and the strains showing at the seams just in time for whats going to be a vicious election year. Cunts.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
not just at the seams if everything said about a&e is true
zippyRN
Orange, Fuzzy, and allowed to possess Cat As
hinchingbrooke was an 'interesting' choice
one of the smallest none tertiary -only trusts
in a weak position to attract staff
no money attracting services
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
so what you're saying is there was never any chance of them making money of it. which is strange, as businesses usually go into business to, er, make money.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
What's the point of a contract if only one party is obliged to honour their end of it?
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
when you enter into a contract with a government to run public services the idea is to do as little as possible while sucking the public money into private hands ennit. Like g4s, crapita and all those other tea leafs
zippyRN
Orange, Fuzzy, and allowed to possess Cat As
I think Circle were hoping to busk it , survive the term claim success and then look at getting control of a trust they could make money from ( Hinchingbrooke is only 200 ish beds - but the support services needed for 1000 beds over a couple of sites isn;t 5 times more expensive - if you look at the care home market new builds are typically 80 -150 beds per site divided into 30 ish bed units - to get the economy of scale for catering / maintaiance / housekeeping - but compare the support services required for 200 beds in a Hospital caliming to be a DGH with critical care, Operatign theatres etcs with the support services for 120 bed care home / Indepednent Mental Health Hospital or even a elective only Private Hospital ... )
zippyRN
Orange, Fuzzy, and allowed to possess Cat As
ask the Labour apparatchiks who put the break clause into the contract with Circle for Hinchingbrooke
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
still saying 'apparatchiks' near 20 years since the SU was a thing...
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