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Are we really going to sit by while they destroy the NHS?

'decontamination of the Conservative brand' Lol. how exactly is that to be achieved when so many of them have vested interests in contractors hoping to benefit from privatisation of services? Call in Rentokill.
 
treelover said:
Andy Burnham, who seems to be the only shadow front bencher doing any real progressive innovative thinking has produced a 6000 word document on the future of the NHS, the BBC ignored it completely on R4 earlier.
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Burnham ; 'progressive and innovative ' thinking ... you obviously have a very very short memory
 
teqniq said:
'decontamination of the Conservative brand' Lol. how exactly is that to be achieved when so many of them have vested interests in contractors hoping to benefit from privatisation of services? Call in Rentokill.
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it worked for long enough to get them sort of elected via a coalition. Think the shine off of that shit has long faded though
 
The only NHS hospital run by a private company has asked for a £10m taxpayer-funded bailout.
Hinchingbrooke Hospital in Huntingdon, Cambridgeshire, is due to be handed back into NHS hands in March after the company outsourced to manage it, Circle, said it could no longer cope with rising demand and funding cuts.
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-s...-for-10m-taxpayerfunded-bailout-10037083.html
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if this is really seen as a test case then theres at least some good news to be taken from this

obviously: how can stretched public services ever make a profit and pass service reviews? impossible
 
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However, the hospital trust’s latest financial statement reveals Circle is expecting to leave behind a deficit of between £7.7m and £12m.

Under its contract, the company is only liable to pay £5m to cover deficits incurred at the trust, and has already paid £4.8m.
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And it will get handed back to a private company ASAP.
 
ska invita said:
if this is really seen as a test case then theres at least some good news to be taken from this

obviously: how can stretched public services ever make a profit and pass service reviews? impossible
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It's obviously just the wrong kind of privatisation/there was too much state involvement and that was what contaminated an otherwise foolproof plan ad infinitum
 
J Ed said:
It's obviously just the wrong kind of privatisation/there was too much state involvement and that was what contaminated an otherwise foolproof plan ad infinitum
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i share everyones cynicism, but for the forseeable future there can be no way to provide a service that is monitored to meet standards and make a profit - the nhs is so squeezed for money already how can there ever be any surplus to extract? trains you can jack up the prices year on year on year - without medical insurance to foot the bill where would the profit come from?
 
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Dogsauce said:
I am getting more and more pissed off by the news reporting hospital trusts as being 'in deficit' rather than 'underfunded'. It's controlling language to achieve their aims and needs to be challenged.
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Not sure I totally agree with that tbh.

Throwing money at the NHS can be counter productive

Two examples

Should we keep giving money to trusts to subsidise expensive agency workers and the profits of agencies, or should we try and change the behaviour of the sector and put money in to workforce development instead so we don't need to use expensive agency staff. In nursing in particular this is a wider issue in social care as well, we just don't have enough nurses.

Everytime the govt gives a winter crisis payment to the NHS to clear beds, council Directors of Social Care cry as the NHS just moves people out in an unplanned way to the nearest willing provider. They invariably pay over the odds as they are temporarily flush with cash and have to meet short term targets that come with that cash. Very quickly afterwards that person is paid for by local govt at inflated rates and they get no additional funding from health.

We'd be better off solving some of these systemic issues which makes parts of the system dysfunctional than just ponying up the money every time.

If we don't we just make the case easier for the right wing lunatics who hate the thing and want it shut down

Eta - just to add I agree with you about their aims.
 
Anybody know much more about this? I'm a bit wary of RT at the best of times.

Tories to sell off NHS recruitment agency - EXCLUSIVE
RT said:
Britain’s Department of Health (DH) is going ahead with plans to sell the National Health Service’s (NHS) in-house recruitment agency, NHS Professionals (NHSP), sources close to the deal have told RT.

Rumors of privatization have hounded NHSP for years, but two sources have finally confirmed to Going Underground’s Olga Masalkova that the government is ready to unload the agency, which serves as the main provider of temporary medical staff to NHS trusts across the country.

“Both of our sources, from different institutions, have confirmed that the government has made a decision to privatize it,” Masalkova said.

“They are still contemplating the particulars of the deal, so they haven’t decided whether they’re going to go ahead and sell 100 percent, or keep a small stake in NHS Professionals.

“But, what we’re hearing, is that they are going ahead.”

The DH has, however, denied the claims.

“Our work with Deloitte is ongoing and no final decisions have been made – we are examining a range of options to identify the best solution for the NHS Professionals,” the department said in a statement.

More than 60,000 nurses, doctors, administrators, midwives and other medical professionals are registered with NHSP, according to the agency’s website.

The government first announced plans to explore private sector investment in the agency in 2010, but the scheme was indefinitely delayed for undisclosed reasons. In 2014, reports surfaced that the DH was teaming up with accountancy firm Deloitte to look into privatization of the NHPS, but no formal announcement was made at the time.

The decision is being mulled as the agency has in recent years begun to turn a profit. In 2015, NHSP’s profit grew 43 percent to £8 million.

The deal would be the latest in a spate of recent private sector incursions into public health services in England. In 2012, the government passed the Health Social Care Act, which created a competitive market for health services.

Masalkova warned that further privatization of the NHS would drive up health care costs across the board.

“With agency costs skyrocketing, just last year the government paid over £3.3 billion on temporary staff and if NHS Professionals are privatized we could see those figures going even higher. And obviously that’s not in the taxpayers’ interests, and not in patients’ or doctors’ interest,” she said.
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However, I found this piece from two years ago that suggests even then it was on the cards.
 
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