Are we really going to sit by while they destroy the NHS?

[SpookyFrank]

ask the Labour apparatchiks who put the break clause into the contract with Circle for Hinchingbrooke

And if the government broke the contract off they'd have had to pay a huge penalty no doubt.

 

[brogdale]

I wouldn't be surprised if a deal is done to keep Circle in place.

The argument for private sector running of entire hospitals will be sunk if they go, I wonder if that will be allowed to happen.

Yep, surely this piece of fundie-neolib driven policy is an idea that's "too big to fail"?

 

[MrSki]

 

[Roadkill]

hinchingbrooke was an 'interesting' choice

one of the smallest none tertiary -only trusts
in a weak position to attract staff
no money attracting services

It was quite an obvious choice really, since it was struggling badly anyway. For pro-privatisation types it was therefore an opportunity to demonstrate that turning hospitals over to the private sector could work and could bring improvements. The problem for them is that it didn't.

 

[zippyRN]

It was quite an obvious choice really, since it was struggling badly anyway. For pro-privatisation types it was therefore an opportunity to demonstrate that turning hospitals over to the private sector could work and could bring improvements. The problem for them is that it didn't.

where the slightly larger Mid Staffs ( complete with excuses for a night of long knives across the the management corridors ) or rather larger and has profitable tertiary services but ius a managerial cluster Mid Yorks weren;t ?

 

[Roadkill]

where the slightly larger Mid Staffs ( complete with excuses for a night of long knives across the the management corridors ) or rather larger and has profitable tertiary services but ius a managerial cluster Mid Yorks weren;t ?

I don't know why they privatised HItchingbrooke but not Mid-Staffs. Do you?

The fact remains that privatising Hitchingbrooke didn't work, though, as the CQC report has amply illustrated.

 

[8ball]

The fact remains that privatising Hitchingbrooke didn't work, though...

What, you mean it actually lost money for the rich investors?

 

[8115]

What, you mean it actually lost money for the rich investors?

Service was poor quality too. On the news it said staff were very unhappy.

 

[8ball]

Service was poor quality too. On the news it said staff were very unhappy.

Yes, yes, but did it lose money for the investors?

 

[zippyRN]

relevance to the Hinchingbrooke deal = fuck all given the deal was set up in 2008/9 ...

but as this is Urban never let the truth get in the way of bashing the Conservative party ...

 

[teqniq]

... but as this is Urban never let the truth get in the way of bashing the Conservative party ...

No indeed. I wouldn't piss on any of them to put them out if they were on fire in the middle of the street.

 

[Roadkill]

relevance to the Hinchingbrooke deal = fuck all given the deal was set up in 2008/9 ...

but as this is Urban never let the truth get in the way of bashing the Conservative party ...

No-one's defending Labour, but the Tory scum deserve all they get.

 

[zippyRN]

No-one's defending Labour, but the Tory scum deserve all they get.

as i said ...but as this is Urban never let the truth get in the way of bashing the Conservative party ...

 

[DotCommunist]

its the electorate who give them the biggest bashing which is why they haven't won an election in over 20 years

 

[Roadkill]

as i said ...but as this is Urban never let the truth get in the way of bashing the Conservative party ...

You wouldn't know truth if it jumped up and punched you in the face. If you don't like it here, feel free to fuck off. You wouldn't be missed.

 

[zippyRN]

its the electorate who give them the biggest bashing which is why they haven't won an election in over 20 years

never mind the fact that the current electoral boundaries intrinsically favour Labour, hence the reason they are uninterested in improving the democratic process ...

in terms of the 'popular' vote the conservatives recived more votes in the 2005 GE

the single largest party in the 2005 is the Conservative party ...


remind me how far short of majority labour were in 2005 ...

 

[zippyRN]

You wouldn't know truth if it jumped up and punched you in the face. If you don't like it here, feel free to fuck off. You wouldn't be missed.

somewhat ironic coming fdrom an Urban poster ... where the truth is a very nebulous concept for many of them

 

[Bernie Gunther]

Yes, yes, but did it lose money for the investors?

Doesn't matter, the public will cover any losses and make sure they take home a fat profit.

That's all part of being a successful investor.

Knowing which corrupt tory cunts to bribe etc. (Helps if you went to Eton with them obviously)

 

[Roadkill]

somewhat ironic coming fdrom an Urban poster ...

Says he, posting that on, er, Urban!

 

[Blagsta]

never mind the fact that the current electoral boundaries intrinsically favour Labour, hence the reason they are uninterested in improving the democratic process ...

in terms of the 'popular' vote the conservatives recived more votes in the 2005 GE

the single largest party in the 2005 is the Conservative party ...


remind me how far short of majority labour were in 2005 ...

I suggest you look at that again.

 

[DotCommunist]

its great telling conservatives how short their party has fallen for nearly a generation. They make shit up and splutter about labour like you are a labour fanboi

 

[MrSki]

relevance to the Hinchingbrooke deal = fuck all given the deal was set up in 2008/9 ...

but as this is Urban never let the truth get in the way of bashing the Conservative party ...

Where did I say it was relevant to the Hinchingbrooke deal?

 

[ViolentPanda]

never mind the fact that the current electoral boundaries intrinsically favour Labour, hence the reason they are uninterested in improving the democratic process ...

That'll be the electoral boundaries that the Conservatives had the legislative opportunity to change, but didn't?

in terms of the 'popular' vote the conservatives recived more votes in the 2005 GE

the single largest party in the 2005 is the Conservative party ...


remind me how far short of majority labour were in 2005 ...

The current electoral system, the one we've had for hundreds of years with a nip here, and a tuck there, isn't based on how many votes a party receives overall, so mithering about that (as both left and right do) is immaterial. What matters is how many seats are won by which parties.

 

[ViolentPanda]

somewhat ironic coming fdrom an Urban poster ... where the truth is a very nebulous concept for many of them

Yes, so many people have little connection to or idea of "the truth", but brave Zippy, he knows all about it!
You're pathological.

 

[ViolentPanda]

its great telling conservatives how short their party has fallen for nearly a generation. They make shit up and splutter about labour like you are a labour fanboi

Yep. That's always especially hilarious - the assumption that if you don't agree with their political prescriptions you're a Labour supporter, or (even worse!) a "socialist".

 

[DownwardDog]

its great telling conservatives how short their party has fallen for nearly a generation. They make shit up and splutter about labour like you are a labour fanboi

We get our policies no matter who wins the elections though. That's why we are the greatest political party that ever was or will be.

 

[DotCommunist]

We get our policies no matter who wins the elections though. That's why we are the greatest political party that ever was or will be.

your sitting on a demographic time bomb though, quite similar to one that fucked you a few generations ago.

 

[8ball]

your sitting on a demographic time bomb though, quite similar to one that fucked you a few generations ago.

Hmm, yeah, demographics - let's see how well that one goes...

 

[SpookyFrank]

remind me how far short of majority labour were in 2005 ...

They were -66 seats short of a majority, or to put it another way they had a majority of 66.

 

[brogdale]

Ashcroft polls over 20k people about the NHS, and finds unsurprising bad news for the vermin.

...fewer than three in ten voters think they (tories) have the best approach to the NHS, eighteen points behind Labour...Some blame the Lansley reforms for this state of affairs. I found people assumed they had been introduced to save money; more thought they were “part of a plan to privatise the NHS” than to cut bureaucracy or give more choice and control to patients....in the absence of any clear explanation of how the changes were supposed to benefit patients, people fell back on their assumptions about Tory motivations. This is because the decontamination of the Conservative brand was never completed....Though people were more likely than not to think spending on the NHS had risen in the last five years, they were much more likely than not to think the service had deteriorated.