Demosthenes said:Well, as far as I know, the only hell there ever is or was is on earth.
And as for heaven, well who knows.
Basically, I don't see why a Roman corruption and con that laid claim to the person and name of Christ should define the meaning of christian, - nor its descendants.
Part of the con was turning Jesus into God, so as to make sure that after a fair amount of time had passed, no-one would relate to him as a human, so his meaning could be lost.
I'm a man of independent means my brother
, so as I we don't know much about the next world we ought to concentrate on sorting this one out.rover07 said:Oh...the non-catholic, non-protestant, non-russian orthodox, non-divine. Wouldn't it be nice if everyone got along and i don't know what happens when people die sort of Christianity.
Demosthenes said:It's not war that bothers me so much, - the peace is as bad, if not worse,
"millions of people just ..living out their lives."
Lying on the sofa, playing with the kids.butchersapron said:going shopping, having their tea
Demosthenes said:But tbh,
The more I look at it, the more I get convinced these days that this world is beyond saving.
I have definitely lost my optimism. Which is quite odd.
And once I reckoned I knew what was going on, and so on, and now I feel pretty clueless, just sort of marking time, and wondering why God doesn't bring down the curtain.
Does anyone have any thoughts on this.?
fattboy said:things r getting worse and worse, and will continue 2 do so,in general, until Jesus peace be upon him returns.
the Prophet peace be upon him mentioned events that would happen that would indicate the end times,some minor and some major ones.
all the minor signs have been fufilled,at least once, the major ones will happen only once, and AFAIK once the first of the major signs occurs, the others will follow in quick succession.
Are you a revert, or an rapturist? Which sect/school reverted you? The Tablighi i Jamaat?fattboy said:things r getting worse and worse, and will continue 2 do so,in general, until Jesus peace be upon him returns.
the Prophet peace be upon him mentioned events that would happen that would indicate the end times,some minor and some major ones.
all the minor signs have been fufilled,at least once, the major ones will happen only once, and AFAIK once the first of the major signs occurs, the others will follow in quick succession.
fattboy said:things r getting worse and worse, and will continue 2 do so,in general, until Jesus peace be upon him returns.
the Prophet peace be upon him mentioned events that would happen that would indicate the end times,some minor and some major ones.
all the minor signs have been fufilled,at least once, the major ones will happen only once, and AFAIK once the first of the major signs occurs, the others will follow in quick succession.