cesare
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Nah, I don't believe you. You just went into a ranty hissy fit accompanied by rolleyes x plenty and are now backtracking
I became a muslim last night
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Nah, I don't believe you. You just went into a ranty hissy fit accompanied by rolleyes x plenty and are now backtracking
revol68
what, fucking what?
Nah, I don't believe you. You just went into a ranty hissy fit accompanied by rolleyes x plenty and are now backtracking
Eh the two basic categories whether you like it or not are,
a) those that take their feminist politics from with the Islamic tradition
b) those that identify as muslim but take their feminist politics from inside and outside the Islamic tradition
Now please explain to me how those fundamentalists who take their politics from a very literal reading of the Quaran are not simply a subset of a)?
revol68
what, fucking what?
cesare
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it's funny you say it like you are kind of joking but you aren't really.
I'm not joking about needing to go and make button's dinner. I'll be back.
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cesare
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I SO want a female equivalent of that.
Well it generally helps if they don't have a shit understanding of feminism. Women can be wrong about this stuff too, you know
revol68
what, fucking what?
well I was mostly a kid through the 90's but since I've been old enough to consider such matters I've always seen them as I see all religious folk, essentially muppets whose level of mentalness is dependent on their ability to engage in deep congitive disonance.
Ironically this means that liberal religious people are on a certain intellectual level more contempible than fundamentalists, who atleast are more consistent in their beliefs.
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I don't think he actually is one, though.
Johnny Canuck3
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It seems a pretty indefensible position to argue that Islam isn't patriarchal.
Johnny Canuck3
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Nah, I don't believe you. You just went into a ranty hissy fit accompanied by rolleyes x plenty and are now backtracking
Seems to me that revol is the one coming back with the considered answers, while you're the one tossing off one liners, seemingly for effect, without putting a lot of thought into it.
cesare
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I actually put quite a lot of thought into it, but it seems the nuance passes you by.
cesare
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As always, we don't seem to be that far apart from agreeing. The difference is that I'm not sure I know everything.
Johnny Canuck3
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Maybe I'm being extra thickheaded today. But I'd still have to agree that Islam certainly appears to be a patriarchal religion.
cesare
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All the major religions are patriarchal. I'm just not convinced that Islam is the ultimate in patriarchy (which was the original point made by walrus that I responded to).
Do you not think it's a tad daft to dismiss the vast majority of people as "essentially muppets" for going along with a commonly accepted set of ideas that formed a major part of their upbringing?
I think it's daft. Just "muppets" would have done fine.
Insofar as it's untrue that religious people believe what they do because of stupidity or some other personal failing on their part (at least not any flaw that isn't universal to people in general).
Depends on what you mean by making a political issue of it.
IME, people who think that the majority of people are muppets are just trying to normalise their own rampant muppetry
IME, people who think that the majority of people are muppets are just trying to normalise their own rampant muppetry
That's quite possible. A muppet is someone who has difficulty changing their opinion. Stupidity helps in being a muppet, but the most important feature of muppetry is being a delicate flower. The simple litmus test is do you mind being the subject of call out threads? My reconning is that most people would mind.
In all seriousness I wouldn't mind. In fact struggle to imagine why I would mind.
I don't know exactly how the ban on call out threads works. Is it a blanket ban or do you have to complain before the thread is banned? If someone would confirm that it's the latter, I will put "doesn't mind call-outs" as my tag. I'd certainly prefer a call-out to a derailed thread which is often the only real alternative. I say as I derail a thread...
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Revol
For someone who is obviously quite intelligent, why are you so naive?
For someone who is obviously quite intelligent, why are you so naive?
I think the way it works is that it's fine to, say, post up a new thread in response to something somebody's said in another as long as a mod doesn't decide that it's being done purely to get at a particular poster for personal reasons.In all seriousness I wouldn't mind. In fact struggle to imagine why I would mind.
I don't know exactly how the ban on call out threads works. Is it a blanket ban or do you have to complain before the thread is banned? If someone would confirm that it's the latter, I will put "doesn't mind call-outs" as my tag. I'd certainly prefer a call-out to a derailed thread which is often the only real alternative. I say as I derail a thread...
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