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Aldebaran said:
And?
The thread is not about England, nor is it about Mecca (which is not a country but a city).

salaam.
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And, if you saying he uses prostitutes i'm sure he can find some in mecca (which is a city in a country).
 
Jesus never said he condemns people but that's the implication.
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I don't see why.

But in any case, if you knew a bit about the subject, you'd know quotes straight from the gospels to back up your contention, - and I'd have some explaining to do to explain them away.
I'll contend it's not the implication. If a bunch of people are in prison, and someone shows them a way out, well, if they don't take the way out, then they're still going to be in prison, - but not because they were condemned to be there by the person who offered a way out.
 
rover07 said:
When Allah condemns people to eternal torture, how is that self-defence?
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a) I'm replying on insinutations made by the thread starter that AQ is "full of violence" as in: instructions for Muslims to be violent.
b) It is a very good question on which I can give a theological lecture of some lenght (since nothing is black or white and God is not comparable with humans etc..etc...) but I am not so inclined to spend time on it in a thread like this one.
I'm sure you can see my point ;)

salaam.
 
Aldebaran said:
1) 2) The arrogant ignorance of this is laughable. The "Western World" wouldn't even know their classics were it not for Muslims (and Syrian Christian and Jewish contributors living in the Islamic world) having preserved, translated, studied and commented the Greeks. You wouldn't even be able to type on a PC if Muslims hadn't introduced the zero.



not 2 mention that one in seven words of the english language actually comes from arabic
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butchersapron said:
And, if you saying he uses prostitutes i'm sure he can find some in mecca (which is a city in a country).
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Could be, God knows. When I am in Mecca I'm not looking for women, I'm seeking contact with God.

What is the connection with the issue under discussion?

salaam.
 
Muhammed invaded Mecca and smashed up the Pagan Temple on the pretext of self-defence of muslim pilgrims. Strange that he couldn't have built a mosque elsewhere as Allah is supposed to be universal. Self-defence was just a poor excuse to dominate the city and impose muslim rule.
 
Aldebaran said:
Could be, God knows. When I am in Mecca I'm not looking for women, I'm seeking contact with God.

What is the connection with the issue under discussion?

salaam.
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You broght up other posters using prostitutes you jesus-freak.
 
Demosthenes said:
I don't see why.

But in any case, if you knew a bit about the subject, you'd know quotes straight from the gospels to back up your contention, - and I'd have some explaining to do to explain them away.
I'll contend it's not the implication. If a bunch of people are in prison, and someone shows them a way out, well, if they don't take the way out, then they're still going to be in prison, - but not because they were condemned to be there by the person who offered a way out.
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Jesus is the jailer who put them there. Offering them a way out doesn't excuse him from putting them there in the first place.
 
rover07 said:
Muhammed invaded Mecca and smashed up the Pagan Temple on the pretext of self-defence of muslim pilgrims. Strange that he couldn't have built a mosque elsewhere as Allah is supposed to be universal. Self-defence was just a poor excuse to dominate the city and impose muslim rule.
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What on earth are you talking about? Got that from some website?
If you want to get informed on Islamic history, please open a thread worth my time to reply on your questions.

salaam.
 
Aldebaran said:
a) I'm replying on insinutations made by the thread starter that AQ is "full of violence" as in: instructions for Muslims to be violent.
b) It is a very good question on which I can give a theological lecture of some lenght (since nothing is black or white and God is not comparable with humans etc..etc...) but I am not so inclined to spend time on it in a thread like this one.
I'm sure you can see my point ;)

salaam.
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The point being you don't have one.
 
rover07 said:
The point being you don't have one.
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I shall decide about that.
If you don't understand without it being put in a drawing that a thread like this isn't worth my time I need to spend at writing in-depth information about issues you brought forward, (and in this language at that) that is your problem, not mine.

salaam.
 
Jesus/God made the universe including heaven and hell and the rules that govern their function (according to Christians)
 
butchersapron said:
They are not in prison.
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that's too short, - I wish you'd explain what you're saying with a bit more detail.

In various different ways, prison is not a bad analogy for the human condition, I reckon,
It's not a very free world, these days, - A lot of people find they're trapped in a bit of a box, - at least it seems that way to them.

Also no-one here gets out alive, - and if we always get reborn, then it's pretty difficult to get out at all.

And lots of people, including me as it happens, are locked up by their own mental habits.
 
Aldebaran said:
I shall decide about that.
If you don't understand without it being put in a drawing that a thread like this isn't worth my time I need to spend at writing in-depth information about issues you brought forward, (and in this language at that) that is your problem, not mine.

salaam.
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Ok don't answer my question. It is a bit of a tricky one.
 
It's a bad anology. That's all. Nothing more needed. There is no human condition, there are conditions. Rich people and poor people.
 
rover07 said:
Jesus/God made the universe including heaven and hell and the rules that govern their function (according to Christians)
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I think all of that is pretty questionable.

I doubt our concepts of Jesus, God, universe, heaven and hell have much in common. And it's fairly obvious we have totally different ideas of what christian means.

Perhaps what you're doing is imagining a version of christianity that has something in common with a load of rubbish put about by some people who take themselves to be christians or pretend to be christians, and taking it for christiainity.
 
Prison is a bad analogy, most prisons you can get out of after you have served your time. A million years (and more) of torture for not believing in Jesus is a pretty harsh prison sentence.
 
Demosthenes said:
I think all of that is pretty questionable.

I doubt our concepts of Jesus, God, universe, heaven and hell have much in common. And it's fairly obvious we have totally different ideas of what christian means.

Perhaps what you're doing is imagining a version of christianity that has something in common with a load of rubbish put about by some people who take themselves to be christians or pretend to be christians, and taking it for christiainity.
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Here we go...
 
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