Anti-paedophile demo - Weymouth
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existentialist
Tired and unemotional
Complete bollocks.
One wouldn't want to infer too much from the US system, but I don't think dylan's point that a Megan's Law type law would have broadly similar effects on co-operation rates is so inapplicable here that you can rule it out quite so easily.
It certainly, thin as it might be, represents better evidence than the whole lot of nothing you've produced in support of whatever it is you're believing in from post to post.
You seem to be one of those people who insist that the more firmly held the view, and the more potent the invective, the more weight your argument carries. Either that, or you really are trolling us
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
Have you ever actually been to the US?
Or do you get all your information about the place from B-movies and late-night cop thrillaz?
Louloubelle
Well-Known Member
I would be extremely interested in the results of some proper research using ibogaine as part of a therapeutic treatment for some sex offenders
I have never taken it myself, but from the accounts of people who have taken it it seems to create a subjective experience of inhabiting the minds of people they have hurt over the years.
Whether people actually feel the hurt and pain they inflicted on others or whether they just have a fantasy of this is unclear, but the drug does seem to induce feelings of guilt and a powerful wish to make amends.
It seems to facilitate what Melanie Klein called "the depressive position"
It also allows the user to relive painful and traumatic memories that they had buried in their unconscious.
I am not suggesting that the drug is a magic bullet, but it does seem to have immense therapeutic potential that is not being researched.
I have never taken it myself, but from the accounts of people who have taken it it seems to create a subjective experience of inhabiting the minds of people they have hurt over the years.
Whether people actually feel the hurt and pain they inflicted on others or whether they just have a fantasy of this is unclear, but the drug does seem to induce feelings of guilt and a powerful wish to make amends.
It seems to facilitate what Melanie Klein called "the depressive position"
It also allows the user to relive painful and traumatic memories that they had buried in their unconscious.
I am not suggesting that the drug is a magic bullet, but it does seem to have immense therapeutic potential that is not being researched.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
No, it's an opinion shared by a majority of those surveyed (do I need to explain that "cold" street and phone surveys are notoriously unreliable?), and a majority of people who responded to the phone lines set up by a couple of red-tops.
Show me a referendum that supports it and I'll agree with it. Until then, I don't fancy the legislation that we have to live under being dictated by hysterics any more than it already is.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
They probably wouldn't, because when you're faced with a referendum or even a bill for something like what kenny is proposing, people tend to sit down and think about the ramifications, and just how easy it'd be for someone, say a friend or relative, to be falsely accused.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Define "pervert".
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
kenny g
Sheeple Awake!
Someone who takes sexual pleasure out of photos of shadows of children.
kenny g
Sheeple Awake!
Child Abuser Registration Regulations 2010
1. All persons over 18 years of age convicted of a crime of a sexual nature concerning persons, or representations of persons, whether in image, sound or literary form, apparently under the age of 18 shall be designated as registered child abusers.
2. Registered child abusers shall be photographed and their photos placed in a register of child abusers which will be made available to the public for viewing at no charge at the offices of the registered child abuser's Local Authority. A copy of the register shall be kept by the Local Authority in a searchable internet accessible electronic form accessible to the public for no charge.
3.The required details to be placed in the register are to be;
i. The registered child abuser's full photograph, face photograph and side photograph.
ii. The registered permanent address of the registered child abuser and any other place he may reside.
iii. Description and registration numbers of any vehicles that the registered child abuser has any financial interest in.
iv. Offences for which the registered child abuser has been convicted.
4.The registered child abuser shall, at his own expense, have his photographs as required in section 3. i) taken at yearly intervals from the time of conviction.
5. The registered child abuser shall stay between the hours of 11pm and 6 a.m at no place other than the registered permanent address without notifying the register and the register being updated accordingly.
6. The registered child abuser shall drive no car other than one registered under section 3 iii. This expressly excludes hire cars and company cars. There shall be no more than three cars registered at any one time.
7. To ease identification registered child abusers shall be restricted to facial hairgrowth of no more than 2mm in length and no other head hair shall be allowed to grow beyond 10mm in length.
8. It shall be an offence to commit a breach of, or be a party to any breach of, sections 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, or 7.
9. It shall be an offence to knowingly or unknowingly, provide shelter, food or sustinance to any person who is in breach of section 8.
10. It shall be a defence to an offence under section 9 to show that all reasonable precautions and due diligence have been taken to avoid the commissioning of an offence.
11. Where a person has committed an offence under section 8 he may on summary conviction be liable for a £20,000 fine and six months imprisonment for each offence.On indictment he may be liable for a fine and imprisonment as seen fit.
12. Where a person, including the officers of a company, has committed an offence under section 9, he may on summary conviction be liable for a £20,000 fine and six months imprisonment for each offence.On indictment he may be liable for a fine and imprisonment as determined.
13. In addition to the penalties outlined in section 11 a person convicted of an offence under section 8 shall be liable to forfeiture of all properties, whether financial, movable or immovable as to be determined by the Court.
14. Section 2 of the Suicide Act 1961 shall be abrogated where the suicide concerns a registered sex offender.
15. The Local Authority may, as it sees fit, place conditions on the registered child abuser's admittance to the register. In the event that the conditions are breached, the registered child abuser shall be in breach of section 8.
16. No conditions shall be in place which are in breach of obligations under the Human Rights Act 1998.
1. All persons over 18 years of age convicted of a crime of a sexual nature concerning persons, or representations of persons, whether in image, sound or literary form, apparently under the age of 18 shall be designated as registered child abusers.
2. Registered child abusers shall be photographed and their photos placed in a register of child abusers which will be made available to the public for viewing at no charge at the offices of the registered child abuser's Local Authority. A copy of the register shall be kept by the Local Authority in a searchable internet accessible electronic form accessible to the public for no charge.
3.The required details to be placed in the register are to be;
i. The registered child abuser's full photograph, face photograph and side photograph.
ii. The registered permanent address of the registered child abuser and any other place he may reside.
iii. Description and registration numbers of any vehicles that the registered child abuser has any financial interest in.
iv. Offences for which the registered child abuser has been convicted.
4.The registered child abuser shall, at his own expense, have his photographs as required in section 3. i) taken at yearly intervals from the time of conviction.
5. The registered child abuser shall stay between the hours of 11pm and 6 a.m at no place other than the registered permanent address without notifying the register and the register being updated accordingly.
6. The registered child abuser shall drive no car other than one registered under section 3 iii. This expressly excludes hire cars and company cars. There shall be no more than three cars registered at any one time.
7. To ease identification registered child abusers shall be restricted to facial hairgrowth of no more than 2mm in length and no other head hair shall be allowed to grow beyond 10mm in length.
8. It shall be an offence to commit a breach of, or be a party to any breach of, sections 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, or 7.
9. It shall be an offence to knowingly or unknowingly, provide shelter, food or sustinance to any person who is in breach of section 8.
10. It shall be a defence to an offence under section 9 to show that all reasonable precautions and due diligence have been taken to avoid the commissioning of an offence.
11. Where a person has committed an offence under section 8 he may on summary conviction be liable for a £20,000 fine and six months imprisonment for each offence.On indictment he may be liable for a fine and imprisonment as seen fit.
12. Where a person, including the officers of a company, has committed an offence under section 9, he may on summary conviction be liable for a £20,000 fine and six months imprisonment for each offence.On indictment he may be liable for a fine and imprisonment as determined.
13. In addition to the penalties outlined in section 11 a person convicted of an offence under section 8 shall be liable to forfeiture of all properties, whether financial, movable or immovable as to be determined by the Court.
14. Section 2 of the Suicide Act 1961 shall be abrogated where the suicide concerns a registered sex offender.
15. The Local Authority may, as it sees fit, place conditions on the registered child abuser's admittance to the register. In the event that the conditions are breached, the registered child abuser shall be in breach of section 8.
16. No conditions shall be in place which are in breach of obligations under the Human Rights Act 1998.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
*pisses self laughing*
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
Oh, and incidentally, pretty much everything you propose would be a breach under the HRA. Either stop lying to yourself and acknowledge that your proposed restrictions are oppressive, or stop taking the rest of us for a bunch of twits.
Either way, though, thanks for the laugh - nothing like a good ironic bellylaugh at half past nine on a Saturday.
kenny g
Sheeple Awake!
You obviously do not understand the HRA act or the proposed legislation. The legislation is proportionate to what it is designed to protect, the right to life, and the right to privacy, i.e children's, and the right to a family life etc etc.
The mention of the HRA in regulation 16 is there as an added reminder to Local Authorities not to impose additional conditions on registered child abusers which are in breach.
Dylan's hysterical mention of ill written placards and burning torches shows that he is not even willing to consider perfectly reasonable legislation which attempts to overcome some of the problems that he claimed to have identified in US legislation regarding child abusers going missing. Regulation 9, in particular, places the burden on any member of the public who feeds a registered child abuser who is in breach of the regulations. As such it increases community involvement in helping to protect children and will improve social confidence and well being.
The ill judged reaction proves my point that Dylan's is not approaching this rationally, nor is he looking for realistic solutions, rather he prefers to engage in kneejerk rejections based on his own social prejudice.
The mention of the HRA in regulation 16 is there as an added reminder to Local Authorities not to impose additional conditions on registered child abusers which are in breach.
Dylan's hysterical mention of ill written placards and burning torches shows that he is not even willing to consider perfectly reasonable legislation which attempts to overcome some of the problems that he claimed to have identified in US legislation regarding child abusers going missing. Regulation 9, in particular, places the burden on any member of the public who feeds a registered child abuser who is in breach of the regulations. As such it increases community involvement in helping to protect children and will improve social confidence and well being.
The ill judged reaction proves my point that Dylan's is not approaching this rationally, nor is he looking for realistic solutions, rather he prefers to engage in kneejerk rejections based on his own social prejudice.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
How lucky we are, then, to have someone with such a uniquely incisive insight into it, and who is so articulately able to convey the subtleties to we lesser mortals in such a concise and persuasive way.
Clearly, you have won this thread, and it is over save for your victory lap.
kenny g
Sheeple Awake!
I have not seen this thread as a competition, rather, it has been a useful exercise which I feel has helped to lead towards a piece of rough draft legislation which has great potential. Any constructive comments you may have are, of course, welcome.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
I'm guessing that you get to be the one who decides what counts as "constructive", then?
*chuckles*
kenny g
Sheeple Awake!
You really are desperate aren't you? For someone who claims to be capable of a rational discussion, why do you continue to choose to selectively quote and misrepresent the position you oppose?
dylans
overlord of all acorns
Dylan's Law. Rusty Nail offender Registration Regulations 2010
1. All persons over 18 years of age convicted of a crime involving the sale or use of oxidised pin fastening nature. Concerning person shall be designated as registered rusty nail offenders.
2 Rusty nails shall be defined as any pin fastening made of hard alloys that have been allowed by neglect or accident to oxidise by the deliberate or accidental reaction of iron and oxygen in the presence of water or moisture
2. Registered rusty nail offenders shall be photographed and their photos placed in a register of rusty nail offenders which will be made available to the public for viewing at no charge at the offices of the registered rusty nail offenders Local Authority. A copy of the register shall be kept by the Local Authority in a searchable internet accessible electronic form accessible to the public for no charge.
3.The required details to be placed in the register are to be;
i. The registered rusty nail offenders full photograph, face photograph and side photograph.
ii. The registered permanent address of the registered rusty nail offender and any other place he may reside.
iii. Description and registration numbers of any tools that the registered rusty nail offender has any financial interest in.These include hammers, picture frames, decorative items or garden furnishings etc.
iv. Offences for which the registered rusty nail offender has been convicted.
4.The registered rusty nail offender shall, at his own expense, have his photographs as required in section 3. i) taken at yearly intervals from the time of conviction.
5. The registered rusty nail offender shall stay between the hours of 11pm and 6 a.m at no place other than the registered permanent address without notifying the register and the register being updated accordingly.
6. The registered rusty nail offender shall use no tools other than those registered under section 3 iii. This expressly excludes automatic nail guns or claw or ball hammers. There shall be no more than three tools registered at any one time.
7. To ease identification registered rusty nail offenders shall be restricted to clothing not normally associated with handy man or carpentry type work. Overralls and other uniforms associated with the use of metalic fastening shall be expressly forbidden as will tool belts, little nail boxes and tool kits with assorted pockets etc
8. It shall be an offence to commit a breach of, or be a party to any breach of, sections 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, or 7.
9. It shall be an offence to knowingly or unknowingly, provide hammers, pliers, picture frames or other tools, to any person who is in breach of section 8.
10. It shall be a defence to an offence under section 9 to show that all reasonable precautions and due diligence have been taken to avoid the commissioning of a rusty nail offence.
11. Where a person has committed an offence under section 8 he may on summary conviction be liable for a £20,000 fine and six months imprisonment for each offence. On indictment he may be liable for a fine and imprisonment as seen fit.
12. Where a person, including the officers of a company, has committed an offence under section 9, he may on summary conviction be liable for a £20,000 fine and six months imprisonment for each offence.On indictment he may be liable for a fine and imprisonment as determined.
13. In addition to the penalties outlined in section 11 a person convicted of an offence under section 8 shall be liable to forfeiture of all nailed properties, whether financial, movable or immovable as to be determined by the Court. Exception shall be made for self fastening and self assembly furniture that does not make use of pin shaped sharpened objects.
14. Section 2 of the Suicide Act 1961 shall be abrogated where the suicide concerns a registered rusty nail offender.
15. The Local Authority may, as it sees fit, place conditions on the registered rusty nail offenders admittance to the register. In the event that the conditions are breached, the registered rusty nail offender shall be in breach of section 8.
16. No conditions shall be in place which are in breach of obligations under the Human Rights or Health and Safety at work Act 1998.
1. All persons over 18 years of age convicted of a crime involving the sale or use of oxidised pin fastening nature. Concerning person shall be designated as registered rusty nail offenders.
2 Rusty nails shall be defined as any pin fastening made of hard alloys that have been allowed by neglect or accident to oxidise by the deliberate or accidental reaction of iron and oxygen in the presence of water or moisture
2. Registered rusty nail offenders shall be photographed and their photos placed in a register of rusty nail offenders which will be made available to the public for viewing at no charge at the offices of the registered rusty nail offenders Local Authority. A copy of the register shall be kept by the Local Authority in a searchable internet accessible electronic form accessible to the public for no charge.
3.The required details to be placed in the register are to be;
i. The registered rusty nail offenders full photograph, face photograph and side photograph.
ii. The registered permanent address of the registered rusty nail offender and any other place he may reside.
iii. Description and registration numbers of any tools that the registered rusty nail offender has any financial interest in.These include hammers, picture frames, decorative items or garden furnishings etc.
iv. Offences for which the registered rusty nail offender has been convicted.
4.The registered rusty nail offender shall, at his own expense, have his photographs as required in section 3. i) taken at yearly intervals from the time of conviction.
5. The registered rusty nail offender shall stay between the hours of 11pm and 6 a.m at no place other than the registered permanent address without notifying the register and the register being updated accordingly.
6. The registered rusty nail offender shall use no tools other than those registered under section 3 iii. This expressly excludes automatic nail guns or claw or ball hammers. There shall be no more than three tools registered at any one time.
7. To ease identification registered rusty nail offenders shall be restricted to clothing not normally associated with handy man or carpentry type work. Overralls and other uniforms associated with the use of metalic fastening shall be expressly forbidden as will tool belts, little nail boxes and tool kits with assorted pockets etc
8. It shall be an offence to commit a breach of, or be a party to any breach of, sections 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, or 7.
9. It shall be an offence to knowingly or unknowingly, provide hammers, pliers, picture frames or other tools, to any person who is in breach of section 8.
10. It shall be a defence to an offence under section 9 to show that all reasonable precautions and due diligence have been taken to avoid the commissioning of a rusty nail offence.
11. Where a person has committed an offence under section 8 he may on summary conviction be liable for a £20,000 fine and six months imprisonment for each offence. On indictment he may be liable for a fine and imprisonment as seen fit.
12. Where a person, including the officers of a company, has committed an offence under section 9, he may on summary conviction be liable for a £20,000 fine and six months imprisonment for each offence.On indictment he may be liable for a fine and imprisonment as determined.
13. In addition to the penalties outlined in section 11 a person convicted of an offence under section 8 shall be liable to forfeiture of all nailed properties, whether financial, movable or immovable as to be determined by the Court. Exception shall be made for self fastening and self assembly furniture that does not make use of pin shaped sharpened objects.
14. Section 2 of the Suicide Act 1961 shall be abrogated where the suicide concerns a registered rusty nail offender.
15. The Local Authority may, as it sees fit, place conditions on the registered rusty nail offenders admittance to the register. In the event that the conditions are breached, the registered rusty nail offender shall be in breach of section 8.
16. No conditions shall be in place which are in breach of obligations under the Human Rights or Health and Safety at work Act 1998.
dylans
overlord of all acorns
dylans
overlord of all acorns
I find your flippancy in the face of the growing rusty nail tragedy quite shocking Kenny you heartless oxidisation lover.
Do you know the damage caused by rusty nails? Do you know about the Mianus River Bridge?
And you choose to ignore this. You heartless rust lover you
dylans
overlord of all acorns
Am I? hmmm. I wonder why that sounds familiar?
kenny g
Sheeple Awake!
So are you still arguing that the danger presented to children by paedophiles is so minor that it is equivalent to that posed by rusty nails?
In which case you must be on the happy pills.
dylans
overlord of all acorns
I'm arguing that the insane legislation you propose is as lunatic as laws outlawing rusty nail sales. I am demonstrating that it is possible to manufacture a crisis and a legislative response from anything and that there will always be paranoid idiots like yourself around to accept ill thought out authoritarian legislation such as you propose on the basis of fear and misinformation.
Finally I am demonstrating that you have no sense of humour or of irony or satire
Rust lover
