And next, Syria?

[mauvais]

The West has never done a particularly good job of missile interception though either, with the possible exception of ship defence. Patriot is very far from having clear reliability and over its fairly long history seems to have only shot down some miscellaneous bits of tat and a few friendly aircraft.

In recent decades there’s been a focus on anti-ballistic missile tech, like various interceptor missiles or the airborne laser project, also all of questionable merit, rather than against terrain-hugging cruise missiles. Iron Dome apparently works well against rockets but this is, comparatively, a duck shoot.

So S400 etc may or may not be a step change in air defence but in coverage to date we have probably been talking primarily about anti-aircraft. To stop incoming cruise missiles - which have tiny radar cross sections - is a different game and one that noone has really shown strong capability on.

Also a single bit of powerful kit does not constitute a national air defence system, however you want to spin it.

 

[rekil]

Oddly enough, the same night newsweek published that series of lies a whole load of the senior foreign correspondents and experts on newsweek resigned. The laughter that article caused.

Bastani pushing that shit now. He's taken a robot uber to the loonosphere.

Spoiler

 

[butchersapron]

Every other loon quickly dropped that one - here he is three months later. I suspect he's wasted that time admiring himself in the mirror.

 

[butchersapron]

2003+internet+skunk

...and that adam curtis prat.

 

[DownwardDog]

The West has never done a particularly good job of missile interception though either, with the possible exception of ship defence. Patriot is very far from having clear reliability and over its fairly long history seems to have only shot down some miscellaneous bits of tat and a few friendly aircraft.

Patriot shot about 70% in Saudi and 40% in Israel in GW1. The GW2 Tornado shoot down was caused, in part, by the aircraft having the wonderful feature of no visual indication of an IFF transponder failure.

 

[2hats]

Iron Dome apparently works well against rockets but this is, comparatively, a duck shoot.

Engaging in the terminal ballistic phase which is relatively easy thanks to Mr Newton. Well easier than tackling something in powered flight, perhaps hypersonic, perhaps evading.

 

[teqniq]

Bizzarre.

Infowars's Alex Jones blasts Trump over airstrikes: 'He's crapping all over us'

Infowars founder Alex Jones ripped into President Trump on Friday night after the president authorized military airstrikes in Syria, saying the decision made him "sick."

“If he had been a piece of crap from the beginning, it wouldn’t be so bad,” a visibly emotional Jones said of Trump. “We’ve made so many sacrifices and now he’s crapping all over us. It makes me sick." ...

 

[rekil]

Not having a go but can we keep the likes of Alex Jones off this thread pls? It's CRI level stuff. "I can't believe what this lifelong comedy loon did on the internet for money!" I shouldn't have even put Bastani here.

 

[teqniq]

The spectacle of Alex jones crying over Trump's perceived betrayal made me smile and frankly there's fuck all else to smile about.

 

[2hats]

Independent confirmation of the DoD targets that were hit (ie that at the very least those were hit, if not additional targets) from DigitalGlobe and Planet.com commercial satellite imaging published in the NY Times.

 

[Riklet]

Roger Waters (quelle surprise) been mouthing off at some concert in Spain with Pro-Assad anti white-helmets conspiraloon toss. Video on facebook I can try and post.

Ideas and tactics to shut these people down and discredit them?

 

[planetgeli]

Roger Waters (quelle surprise) been mouthing off at some concert in Spain with Pro-Assad anti white-helmets conspiraloon toss. Video on facebook I can try and post.

Ideas and tactics to shut these people down and discredit them?

Why do you want to bother discrediting Roger Waters? Hasn't his output with PF done enough for that? Does 'chemical attack is fake news' really need concentrating on/discrediting?

And you could all stop following fucking Facebook. That might help.

 

[Doctor Carrot]

There was an article posted on this thread or a different one, can't remember, that traced how tweets about the chemical attacks being false came directly from the regime and was picked up, verbatim, by the likes of Jones and Russian sites like global research. Can anyone repost please?

 

[rekil]

There was an article posted on this thread or a different one, can't remember, that traced how tweets about the chemical attacks being false came directly from the regime and was picked up, verbatim, by the likes of Jones and Russian sites like global research. Can anyone repost please?

Any of these?

Syria Campaign's 48 page report.

The study by Kate Starbird.

Spoiler

And there was Solon's thing in the G, which I think was criticised as she doesn't know or care about the already well established far right and conspiraloon orgs.

How Syria's White Helmets became victims of an online propaganda machine

 

[Doctor Carrot]

Any of these?

Syria Campaign's 48 page report.

The study by Kate Starbird.

Spoiler

And there was Solon's thing in the G, which I think was criticised as she doesn't know or care about the already well established far right and conspiraloon orgs.

How Syria's White Helmets became victims of an online propaganda machine

These are great and helpful but not what I was thinking of. It was just specifically about the recent attack and how a tweet from a doctor was criticised as 'how come he's got time to tweet? it must be fake'

 

[teqniq]

Syria chemical attack survivors tell their stories for the first time - CNN

 

[rekil]

These are great and helpful but not what I was thinking of. It was just specifically about the recent attack and how a tweet from a doctor was criticised as 'how come he's got time to tweet? it must be fake'

That doesn't ring a bell. You sure it was here in the last week?

 

[teqniq]

hmmmm..

 

[butchersapron]

Regime to formally steal land and property of the millions it has dispalced by air-strike, barrel bomb, chemical attack and starvation:

Syria: 'Absentees law' could see millions of refugees lose lands

As thousands of Syrians flee their homes in Eastern Ghouta to escape a fierce air and ground offensive led by pro-government forces, President Bashar al-Assad has introduced a new law which can potentially see the state confiscating the lands of millions of displaced people.

Law Number 10, introduced earlier this week, calls on Syrians to register their private properties with the Ministry of Local Administration within 30 days.

...

Legal experts have been quick to liken the recently introduced legislation to the Israeli Absentees' Property Law.

...

"It is impossible for me to go back home to prove my right to my lands and properties," the 27-year-old, who owns two homes and an electronics shop in Hammouria, told Al Jazeera.

"If I attempt to do so, I'll either be killed or arrested by pro-government forces," added Abu Jawad who fled to the northwestern province of Idlib earlier this month.

More on Law no. 10.

Creating a New Syria: Property, Dispossession, and Regime Survival

While all eyes were fixed on the US-led military response to the alleged chemical attack in East Ghouta, a little-noted event occurred that could potentially have a much greater impact on Syria’s future. About 10 days ago, President Assad’s regime passed Law no. 10. The law foresees the creation of local administrative units in each district of regime-held territory that will be in charge of reconstruction efforts. All Syrians will be required to register their private properties with these units by providing proof of ownership, in person or through legal representatives. This must be done within roughly the next two months. The risk of noncompliance is that the Syrian state will take possession of the unregistered properties.

With half the Syrian population displaced and many property transfers prior to 2011 having been done informally, this will be a mission impossible for many. Depending on the implementation and enforcement of the law, its most likely consequence is that the Syrian state will acquire a substantial amount of property in the near future—land, buildings, and other immovable assets—within the territories it currently controls. The real implication here is twofold. Most importantly, President Assad’s regime will lay its hands on the assets it needs to finance the country’s reconstruction and reestablish its power base, preserving its long-term viability and independence. Moreover, it will dispossess hundreds of thousands of Syrians—possibly millions—who escaped the fighting or forced recruitment. Law no. 10 is a Faustian masterstroke—both in its injustice and its ingenuity.

...

The imperatives of regime survival and autonomy mean that its reconstruction logic will echo its warfighting logic: indiscriminate punishment of disloyalty to impose fear, selective co-optation, and deal-making with opposition groups where this offers a low-cost solution on regime terms and safeguards core regime interests. Initial urban reconstruction efforts of the regime in Damascus, Homs, and Aleppo, on the basis of Decree 66 (2012), already show how the regime uses high-end property developments to generate funds and reward loyalists through forcible dispossession below market rates, as well as the use of regime-linked real estate and construction companies. The nationalization of property

 

[teqniq]

These are great and helpful but not what I was thinking of. It was just specifically about the recent attack and how a tweet from a doctor was criticised as 'how come he's got time to tweet? it must be fake'

Ah I remember a comment of that nature from one of the much earlier attacks, there was a video and lots of people were dismissing it as staged.

e2a it will be on this thread almost definitely.

 

[rekil]

Ah I remember a comment of that nature from one of the much earlier attacks, there was a video and lots of people were dismissing it as staged.

e2a it will be on this thread almost definitely.

There was an article posted on this thread or a different one, can't remember, that traced how tweets about the chemical attacks being false came directly from the regime and was picked up, verbatim, by the likes of Jones and Russian sites like global research. Can anyone repost please?

How bout the link in Post #8797

And if it is genuine critical inquiry then it's a fantastic example of the what the conspiraloons and regime supporters set out to achieve with their barrage of lies and smears. Your very start position has been formed and informed by them and their objectives. You've actually been used by the same alt-right types that you rail about on the trump thread.

The Charles Lister twitter machine thread on gas attacks that was posted in January could do with a re-up as well.

Spoiler

Once again, America's pro-'war'-anti-war people prove to be even worse than STWC.

Spoiler: baked alaska

 

[Doctor Carrot]

How bout the link in Post #8797



The Charles Lister twitter machine thread on gas attacks that was posted in January could do with a re-up as well.

Spoiler

Once again, America's pro-'war'-anti-war people prove to be even worse than STWC.

Spoiler: baked alaska

Yes the one butchers posted was what I wanted, thank you. Just couldn't see it for some reason.

Meanwhile the Russian state line of disinformation continues. Apparently in his upcoming hard talk interview, Lavrov says 'state leaders have no evidence of an attack' he then later says 'the event didn't take place. Instead what happened was a staged event.' At the weekend he was saying it was a false flag, meaning it did take place but an opposing state's security service did it. I know politicians are expected to lie and propagandise and it's likely I've not paid close enough attention but I've never seen anything quite like this before, the constant shifting of positions in real time that state any other position but the truth of the matter.

 

[2hats]

I've never seen anything quite like this before, the constant shifting of positions in real time that state any other position but the truth of the matter.

You didn’t follow the MH17 shoot down then?

 

[Pickman's model]

I've never seen anything quite like this before, the constant shifting of positions in real time that state any other position but the truth of the matter.

jean charles de menezes

 

[Archimage]

A Russian investigative journalist who wrote about the deaths of mercenaries in Syria has died in hospital after falling from his fifth-floor flat.

Russian reporter dies after mystery fall

 

[kebabking]

A Russian investigative journalist who wrote about the deaths of mercenaries in Syria has died in hospital after falling from his fifth-floor flat.

Russian reporter dies after mystery fall

How many times?

 

[AnandLeo]

Now it is clear that Assad regime in Syria is making chemical attacks such as chlorine against the rebels in the country. These internal conflicts or civil wars in the Middle East are complicated by the powerful common enemy Isis omnipresent in the region. The use of chemical weapons such as chlorine in war is forbidden and the western coalition is determined to assert not crossing this redline. Russia and Iran are allies of Syria supporting war efforts of Assad regime. Russia, a nuclear superpower is the strong ally of Assad regime of Syria engaging in war, and incessant bombing in Syria. Use of chemical weapons is regarded abhorrent because of its awful effects on children. Russia, while carrying out frequent bombing raids on human habitations, is defending any form of war effort by Syrian forces including chemical weapons. The stance of Russia in the civil war in Syria is in conflict with the western coalition led by US, UK and France who support the rebels in the conflict. The Russia’s threat of war against western forces attacking chemical weapon installations of Assad regime, after the recent chemical attack by the Syrian forces has manifested the Russian brutality in this conflict. As often found the forces fighting a civil war act on their own, deciding their tactics and weapons of war, whether approved or not by the political leadership of the regime. If Assad regime has no control of the war efforts of its forces, Russia as a superpower ally taking part in the war should have control to prevent the use of chemical weapons by the Assad’s forces. Russia’s stance of insouciance and denial of the use of chemical weapons by Syrian forces, brands Russia as a rogue superpower devoid of principles of warfare, and humanitarian safeguards. The ulterior motive of western countries in the conflict of Syria is regime change. Western nations will be happy with a political solution, even though they do not believe it is a reality. There is no clear evidence of peace and political stability as a result of recent regime changes effected with bombing campaigns by western coalitions in the Middle East.
Not only the chemical attacks on civilian population, the bombing of civilian habitations, especially pulverising cities and towns packed with multi-storey dwellings, killing and displacing families is abhorrent. Even though it is hypothetical, I am suggesting, bombing of civilian habitations in war should be regarded as war crimes and should be outlawed. As evident in the current Syrian conflict, UN is dysfunctional with regard to protecting civilian lives and their homes in indiscriminate bombing campaigns. UN declaration on non-interference in internal affairs, in my view is flawed and needs amending for clarity, efficiency and effectiveness in global peace. For more than half a century, I cannot recall UN enforcing declaration on intervention, aggression by foreign forces on internal affairs. Whilst a sector of the human society is clamouring ideologies of sustainability, another sector of the human race engage in destroying the built environment such as homes, roads, bridges, power stations and other economic and civic infrastructure as part of war. Human race has run out of solutions to resolve the current impasse in Syria, among many other armed conflicts of war around the globe, and serious lack of law order in drug ridden South American countries. The human race has no power of diplomacy, and lost effectiveness of law and order in the society, superpowers are intimidating each other with a stock of hardware, nuclear power, and brinkmanship. We are seeing the limits of human capacity to prevent the death and destruction of the civilisation by civil war escalated by intervention of superpowers, and neighbouring allies.

 

[Doctor Carrot]

You didn’t follow the MH17 shoot down then?

Not really, no. Bits of it but I can work out how it went. I of course know Russia's been at this sort of thing for several years now it just seems more stark now, more brazen, it's actually so transparent it's laughable... At least it would be if people weren't dying and so many people weren't suckered into believing and appeasing a regime that props up a dictatorship like Assad's.

 

[Doctor Carrot]

Can you maybe redo that so it's not written in bold please? There's no need for it, ta.

 

[teqniq]

Still no access for the OPCW team apparently but the the Russian would have us believe: