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And next, Syria?

Casually Red said:
Indeed, but Dresden, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Laos and Cambodia happened too.

As did this deliberate atrocity many years later. Why did they do that ?





Somehow the wails of outrage just aren't as loud when it comes to the irritant dead . So i ignore them .
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i see the context of my post escaped you
 
A new UN report 'shatters' one of the biggest myths about Syria and Assad

A UN report detailing the "massive and systematized" violence perpetrated by Syrian President Bashar Assad against his own people "shatters the notion that the regime is somehow a lesser evil" than ISIS.



That is according to Emile Hokayem, a senior fellow at the International Institute for Strategic Studies, who said on Tuesday on Twitter that the report is "inconvenient" for those who argue that Assad should stay in power for the sake of creating stability and defeating ISIS and Al Qaeda....
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I still cannot see this Turkish-Saudi invasion actually materialising, are they intending on occupying northern Syria along with Russia and the US bases already there?
 
I think that under the pretext of countering IS they both wish to save their various proxy's arses and the Turks wish to deal the Kurds a decisive blow. In all probability there's a lot of frantic behind the scenes stuff going on to at the very least ensure that neither of them do anything 'off script', mainly by the Americans.
 
J Ed said:
I wonder if this cessation of hostilities not ceasefire thing has come about because of the threat of Saudi Arabia to enter the war with troops on the ground
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The Saudi army are a well-armed bunch of well-trained lazy twats officered by commission-buyers and aristos, who avoid real warfare with a tenacity that makes Cowardly Coward McCoward look brave. They'll run faster than the shit rolling down their legs against any armed opposition.
 
Casually Red said:
Informative article on the make up of the Syrian Army, and why it's remained loyal . Dispelling the sectarian myths promoted in the western narrative . And comparing the SAAs pluralistic nature to the real nature of the real opposition .

Why Assad's Army Has Not Defected
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50%+ deserted. Enforced sign up as a result. The posh officer class tied into the money making networks of the west - yeah, they're loyal.

A rabble shored up by shia jihadis and mercenaries.
 
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Casually Red said:
President al-Assad speaks to AFP on Syrian and regional developments – Syrian Arab News Agency

Full text of President Assads recent interview with AFP? Handled very wel by Assad , with a good grasp of the logical issues that are missing from an increasingly demented western narrative .
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You do realise how demented Assad's regime is right?

I visited Syria 6 years ago and even then virtually every cab driver had to have a picture of him hanging from his rear view mirror or else on the rear window. Everywhere you went there were pictures of him.

And then there was Hama - or what was left of it after his enlightened father's bombardment in the early 80s. One of the weirdest, and saddest cities that I have ever seen.
 
Turkey and Saudi who have both been well documented in assising DAESH in various forms are now stating they are going to engage them with ground forces? What am I missing here?
 
coley said:
Turkey and Saudi who have both been well documented in assising DAESH in various forms are now stating they are going to engage them with ground forces? What am I missing here?
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That they won't be. Should they lose all sanity and invade they'll be out to help them and other AQ factions . They're using them as an excuse to go into Syria, nothing more . If they go into Syria then Turkey and Saudi will get to sit at the negotiating table . If the rebels fall, as they will in Aleppo first and Idlib after, they'll have no proxies at the negotiating table . And will have no influence on the outcome .

The Syrian Army seems to check mating them though by making a big push in the direction of Raqqa, the dash capital . That may well effectively block these other bastards from using that excuse . If they can get far enough in there now they've cleared the other head choppers out of their way .

Syrian army intends to advance into IS stronghold of Raqqa province...
 
That they won't be. Should they lose all sanity and invade they'll be out to help them and other AQ factions . They're using them as an excuse to go into Syria, nothing more . If they go into Syria then Turkey and Saudi will get to sit at the negotiating table . If the rebelsfall, as they will in Aleppo first and Idlib after, they'll have no proxies at the negotiating table . And will have no influence on the outcome

Eh, you've lost me there, they "won't go in" but if they do,they will be involved in negotiations?
What you seem to be saying if they don't go in their "proxies" will be eliminated (politically) which I can follow but, they would be insane to go in to defend their "proxies"
 
coley said:
That they won't be. Should they lose all sanity and invade they'll be out to help them and other AQ factions . They're using them as an excuse to go into Syria, nothing more . If they go into Syria then Turkey and Saudi will get to sit at the negotiating table . If the rebelsfall, as they will in Aleppo first and Idlib after, they'll have no proxies at the negotiating table . And will have no influence on the outcome

Eh, you've lost me there, they "won't go in" but if they do,they will be involved in negotiations?
What you seem to be saying if they don't go in their "proxies" will be eliminated (politically) which I can follow but, they would be insane to go in to defend their "proxies"
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It means they'll be cutting out the middle man and becoming a fact on the ground themselves . That they wont depend on proxies at the table . Itll be themselves . If they do it . Which remains an if . I doubt the Turkish military will think this is a good idea at all . Because its a very bad idea .
 
Casually Red said:
It means they'll be cutting out the middle man and becoming a fact on the ground themselves . That they wont depend on proxies at the table . Itll be themselves . If they do it . Which remains an if . I doubt the Turkish military will think this is a good idea at all . Because its a very bad idea .
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Aye, but it's a bit like assuming Erdogan is a reasonable politician, if Assad can allow the destruction of his people and his country,can we assume Erdogan wouldn't follow the same course of action?
 
coley said:
Aye, but it's a bit like assuming Erdogan is a reasonable politician, if Assad can allow the destruction of his people and his country,can we assume Erdogan wouldn't follow the same course of action?
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Assad has refused to allow the destruction of his country or his people, which is why there's a war . Unless you think a repeat of that Libyan disaster presided over by Daesh and Al Qaeda will be a good thing or Syria and its people . Which was what the west , Turks and Saudis had in mind for Syria .
 
Casually Red said:
He's never been in a bunker.

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Course not, we have all been watching him at the Syrian equvilant of PMQS and watching him answering questions around the country,
He's been hiding up for months probably looking for a bolt hole, but now Putins solved his main concerns he's starting to show his smarmy pyet again.
 
Your just making that bollocks up Colely. If you want the thread to be a calling the president nasty names competition go ahead . But the adults here would like some proper analysis and fact based information .

Great speech this one, again very informative

 
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